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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:01:28 GMT
Of course they have just political correctness dictates how they use them..The fact the chief of the met is only in her position because of her sexuality says it all. You know her background? You do realise she gave the shoot to kill order for the Brazilian guy after the London Tube bombings, such was her seniority. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
Yeah, I accept that. So is it down to parenting or cost? My lad does scouts, football twice a week, choir and band and it costs a small fortune every year and a lot of coordination to get him to all these clubs. I do see the same kids at a lot of these clubs so you may be right, they may well be the ones using youth clubs too. I think the factors creating this crisis are multidimensional. Certainly the absence of a consistent parental influence is one. To that pressure add families having to struggle with real incomes still below that of 2009, the slashing of public services (7000 heads of schools writing to Parliament showing that spend per student is 10% lower than 2010), school exclusions (without back up) where in the last year 7000 kids have been excluded in England and Wales compared with 1, that's one, in Scotland. The Tories have put a torch to social structures that have underpinned our society. That's the same Tories who brought us Brexit. Whether it's knife crime, muggings, burglaries or drug use I suspect the background is fairly similar. A huge factor will be upbringing, but it's too simple to say it's just poor and deprived areas or the policies of a particular government. Many poor families bring up good kids who make successes out of their lives. We have built a system in this country where people can make a lifestyle choice never to work and there is the incentive of increased benefits and housing by having kids - those with kids who never really wanted them are a recipe for disaster. i don't know what the answer is as we now have second and third generations in families who have chosen never to work and milk the system for everything they can - it's such an entrenched lifestyle it's hard to see how that cycle can be broken. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 18:16:45 GMT
I think the factors creating this crisis are multidimensional. Certainly the absence of a consistent parental influence is one. To that pressure add families having to struggle with real incomes still below that of 2009, the slashing of public services (7000 heads of schools writing to Parliament showing that spend per student is 10% lower than 2010), school exclusions (without back up) where in the last year 7000 kids have been excluded in England and Wales compared with 1, that's one, in Scotland. The Tories have put a torch to social structures that have underpinned our society. That's the same Tories who brought us Brexit. Whether it's knife crime, muggings, burglaries or drug use I suspect the background is fairly similar. A huge factor will be upbringing, but it's too simple to say it's just poor and deprived areas or the policies of a particular government. Many poor families bring up good kids who make successes out of their lives. We have built a system in this country where people can make a lifestyle choice never to work and there is the incentive of increased benefits and housing by having kids - those with kids who never really wanted them are a recipe for disaster. i don't know what the answer is as we now have second and third generations in families who have chosen never to work and milk the system for everything they can - it's such an entrenched lifestyle it's hard to see how that cycle can be broken. Of course not everyone who lives in a poor or deprived area resorts to crime, I never did, if you consider Knowle West to be poor and deprived, but the vast majority of victims and perpetrators do. I don't share your depiction of people on benefits. A fellow gashead and acquaintance of mine is regional management for the Dept of Work & Pensions. Over a beer before the Blackpool game we were chatting about this. I suggested and he agreed that housing and the cost of was the biggest driver of poverty and benefit dependency. That has nothing to do with social attitudes but a fractured housing market which is then exacerbated by austerity measures. These things cannot be ignored and the victims, the poorest in society cannot be blamed. |
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Post by jaggas on Mar 8, 2019 18:48:58 GMT
Whether it's knife crime, muggings, burglaries or drug use I suspect the background is fairly similar. A huge factor will be upbringing, but it's too simple to say it's just poor and deprived areas or the policies of a particular government. Many poor families bring up good kids who make successes out of their lives. We have built a system in this country where people can make a lifestyle choice never to work and there is the incentive of increased benefits and housing by having kids - those with kids who never really wanted them are a recipe for disaster. i don't know what the answer is as we now have second and third generations in families who have chosen never to work and milk the system for everything they can - it's such an entrenched lifestyle it's hard to see how that cycle can be broken. Of course not everyone who lives in a poor or deprived area resorts to crime, I never did, if you consider Knowle West to be poor and deprived, but the vast majority of victims and perpetrators do. I don't share your depiction of people on benefits. A fellow gashead and acquaintance of mine is regional management for the Dept of Work & Pensions. Over a beer before the Blackpool game we were chatting about this. I suggested and he agreed that housing and the cost of was the biggest driver of poverty and benefit dependency. That has nothing to do with social attitudes but a fractured housing market which is then exacerbated by austerity measures. These things cannot be ignored and the victims, the poorest in society cannot be blamed. Just watching ITN news on the knife epidemic and they showed one young chap being attacked by two others with knives and surprise surprise they were all black including the victim...But of course no one is allowed to mention this as it is deemed racist by morons who think the fact that about 90% Of this kind of crime being black on black is just a coincidence. |
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Post by jaggas on Mar 8, 2019 18:51:11 GMT
Of course they have just political correctness dictates how they use them..The fact the chief of the met is only in her position because of her sexuality says it all. You know her background? You do realise she gave the shoot to kill order for the Brazilian guy after the London Tube bombings, such was her seniority. So does that prove her incompetence or not? Did she get let off because she munches rugs? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 8, 2019 18:52:16 GMT
Of course not everyone who lives in a poor or deprived area resorts to crime, I never did, if you consider Knowle West to be poor and deprived, but the vast majority of victims and perpetrators do. I don't share your depiction of people on benefits. A fellow gashead and acquaintance of mine is regional management for the Dept of Work & Pensions. Over a beer before the Blackpool game we were chatting about this. I suggested and he agreed that housing and the cost of was the biggest driver of poverty and benefit dependency. That has nothing to do with social attitudes but a fractured housing market which is then exacerbated by austerity measures. These things cannot be ignored and the victims, the poorest in society cannot be blamed. Just watching ITN news on the knife epidemic and they showed one young chap being attacked by two others with knives and surprise surprise they were all black including the victim...But of course no one is allowed to mention this as it is deemed racist by morons who think the fact that about 90% Of this kind of crime being black on black is just a coincidence. Haha not quite jaggers. What we said on this thread was that there was a link between crime and gangs and socio-economic deprivation. And no surprises that ethnic minorities tend to be more socially deprived. I'm consistently amazed how someone can write without being able to read. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 8, 2019 18:53:09 GMT
You know her background? You do realise she gave the shoot to kill order for the Brazilian guy after the London Tube bombings, such was her seniority. So does that prove her incompetence or not? Did she get let off because she munches rugs? Another minority group to add to your hate list then. What a bore. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 19:03:20 GMT
Just watching ITN news on the knife epidemic and they showed one young chap being attacked by two others with knives and surprise surprise they were all black including the victim...But of course no one is allowed to mention this as it is deemed racist by morons who think the fact that about 90% Of this kind of crime being black on black is just a coincidence. Haha not quite jaggers. What we said on this thread was that there was a link between crime and gangs and socio-economic deprivation. And no surprises that ethnic minorities tend to be more socially deprived. I'm consistently amazed how someone can write without being able to read. I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer to this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 8, 2019 19:08:34 GMT
Haha not quite jaggers. What we said on this thread was that there was a link between crime and gangs and socio-economic deprivation. And no surprises that ethnic minorities tend to be more socially deprived. I'm consistently amazed how someone can write without being able to read. I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. whoa there. Dont speak on my behalf please. I have at no point suggested that anyone who commits knife crime is blameless and I abhor gang culture actually. I am however as you are capable of seeing beyond the superficial layer of causality as we have discussed before. It's a multi layered problem. I dont think anyone is afraid to talk about the demographic really but I also dont think jaggers called it out for the same reasons you did. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 19:34:25 GMT
You know her background? You do realise she gave the shoot to kill order for the Brazilian guy after the London Tube bombings, such was her seniority. So does that prove her incompetence or not? Did she get let off because she munches rugs? If any of you have read the accounts of what went on in that Control Room at that time, then you'll be amazed that not only did she manage to keep her job, but she was then promoted. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 8, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
So does that prove her incompetence or not? Did she get let off because she munches rugs? Another minority group to add to your hate list then. What a bore. Jaggas has shown his homophobic views before. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 20:29:44 GMT
Haha not quite jaggers. What we said on this thread was that there was a link between crime and gangs and socio-economic deprivation. And no surprises that ethnic minorities tend to be more socially deprived. I'm consistently amazed how someone can write without being able to read. I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. I would love you to provide a link to anyone who has said any of that Please, go on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 20:31:06 GMT
Another minority group to add to your hate list then. What a bore. Jaggas has shown his homophobic views before. He really is a disgusting human being isn't he. I really hope he does not have children. The thought is horrific. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 20:32:18 GMT
So does that prove her incompetence or not? Did she get let off because she munches rugs? If any of you have read the accounts of what went on in that Control Room at that time, then you'll be amazed that not only did she manage to keep her job, but she was then promoted. So, given your experience, what would you have done differently? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:09:25 GMT
Jaggas has shown his homophobic views before. He really is a disgusting human being isn't he. I really hope he does not have children. The thought is horrific. Different end of the spectrum but is he that much different to you? Both have prejudices and intolerances. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:23:41 GMT
He really is a disgusting human being isn't he. I really hope he does not have children. The thought is horrific. Different end of the spectrum but is he that much different to you? Both have prejudices and intolerances. Really Eric? Have I ever used language like "munchies rugs" to describe another human being? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 8, 2019 22:24:02 GMT
Haha not quite jaggers. What we said on this thread was that there was a link between crime and gangs and socio-economic deprivation. And no surprises that ethnic minorities tend to be more socially deprived. I'm consistently amazed how someone can write without being able to read. I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. It's not racist to identify the ethnicity of people committing crime. It is racist to infer that people commit crime because of their race or skin colour. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:26:30 GMT
I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. It's not racist to identify the ethnicity of people committing crime. It is racist to infer that people commit crime because of their race or skin colour. Precisely Hugo But I suspect the apologists for Jaggass don't understand that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:28:50 GMT
Different end of the spectrum but is he that much different to you? Both have prejudices and intolerances. Really Eric? Have I ever used language like "munchies rugs" to describe another human being? No you are more subtle but equally prejudiced |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:34:38 GMT
I wonder how many BAME kids live in 'deprived' areas and how many white kids? Just being poor doesn't give an answer this knife epidemic. Jaggas is right to a degree in that there is little appetite for anyone to speak out about the issue being predominantly young, black males. Until we reach that point it is hard to see how it can be fixed. I don't see identifying the main perpetrators of crime to be racist. If young black kids are carrying knives we should not be afraid to stop and search them and dish out proper punishments. Likewise if there was a crime epidemic that was clearly a white problem in a certain area what would be the point of stop and searching BAME kids? it seems middle aged white people are giving these young villains a list of ready made excuses so it's never their fault. It's not racist to identify the ethnicity of people committing crime. It is racist to infer that people commit crime because of their race or skin colour. Totally agree but despite it being quite clear who is carrying out the majority of knife crime you won't find it publicly reported as being a problem amongst young black males. I'm not sure why anyone would say someone's skin colour makes them more predisposed to a certain crime but the issue has to be addressed on facts. |
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