Crime in London

I bumped this thread before by asking if anyone had information on the demographics for perpetrators of gang related violence in London. But cant seem to find it reported, only information on victims. Why is this?

Tools such as The Met's gang matrix is apparently discriminatory towards black people as Amnesty International and The Guardian would have us believe. But what are the demographics of those committing gang violence since the 2011 riots?

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

It's not a conspiracy, you can find information on arrests and ethnicity.

I'm sure these figures are correct but they lack context.

It's really difficult to link any kind of causality to arrest figure.

It looks like 78% of people arrested for crimes are white.

It also says Black males are 3 times more likely to be arrested.

Is that because this demographic commits more crimes per head or is it because this group is more likely to be arrested?

In any event, we can put to bed the myth that this information is not available or is being suppressed.

Well done Hugo.

I think these figures are published yearly so probably a 9 month wait for this year's numbers.

To be clear, I am not interpreting or critiquing these figures, I was pointing out that they exist.

I understand the argument that if figures identify blue sheep as criminal then you should search all blue sheep, but then you have to understand how confirmation bias will soon "prove" you right.

If you only search blue sheep you will never catch anything other than blue sheep.

Another way to look at it is that it's reported that 78% of crime is committed by red sheep. So surely we should be targeting and searching only red sheep no?

As I said, with things like crime figures and demographics, context is everything and the "simple" solutions are not always that simple, nor effective.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-43641009

Interesting article about the effectiveness of Stop and Search.

I found it amusing that the tone of the article almost seemed apologetic that Dianne Abbott was right about something so I apologize for that in advance.



Another article also showing that there is no evidence to support a return to the old method of Stop and Search.

www.wired.co.uk/article/police-stop-and-search-powers-statistics-uk

Did you look at any of the links I sent you?

Why did you ignore the stat from one of those links that indeed states that Black males are arrested at a rate of 3 times that of other groups or that the Met stats that link gang culture and crime?

I quoted the 78% statistic because I found it interesting that the crime figures show that most crimes (or at least arrests) are committed by white people which seemed at odds with the current narrative.

are they a minority? Why when wanting inclusiveness do they choose to be in a separate group with their own label with multiple letters that change by the week?

That's not what the stats say at all.

It's not what I said either.

Did you even read the Governments own report??

I was as surprised by the figures as anyone as a look at the headlines it looks like (in London at least) like it's black victims being stabbed by black young men.

I also cited 2 reports that suggested current targeted stop and search methods are actually more yielding better results.

AGAIN I will reiterate that I feel all the stats from the Met and the Government lack context.

He'll feel better once they get round to adding n and f to the list.