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Post by Topper Gas on May 19, 2023 18:31:42 GMT
I don't know why many on here are defending him and comparing what he did with what others did, considering they have so idea at all what was said and done, unlike those who passed sentence. It's Joey, it's done, move on and don't sound like a Northampton manager. I'm not defending him - just trying to establish the facts. Some of what has been reported does not add up. I can't recall a previous Rovers manager being banned from the touchline let along the ground so it's odd anybody is suggesting we shouldn't be discussing it. |
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Post by Somersetgas on May 19, 2023 21:03:22 GMT
I'm not defending him - just trying to establish the facts. Some of what has been reported does not add up. I can't recall a previous Rovers manager being banned from the touchline let along the ground so it's odd anybody is suggesting we shouldn't be discussing it. Nobody will ever know what happened as refs are part of a secrete society, who are allowed to get away with their crazy bad decisions week in week out with no answer to their decisions. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 19, 2023 21:13:51 GMT
Isn't a 3 game stadium a bit disproportionate though? If he'd squared to the ref, held him against a wall, chased him down a tunnel or something of that nature I could understand it. But a bit of verbal sledging is worthy of a stadium ban? Blimey 1981, don’t go giving JB any ideas. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 19, 2023 21:14:03 GMT
I can't recall a previous Rovers manager being banned from the touchline let along the ground so it's odd anybody is suggesting we shouldn't be discussing it. Nobody will ever know what happened as refs are part of a secrete society, who are allowed to get away with their crazy bad decisions week in week out with no answer to their decisions. Perhaps it's different if your a Premiership manager but the FA gave a detailed explanation why he received his ban. As far as bad decisions, what answers do you expect, refs who make poor decisions to publicly apologise? I sense you are falling for the JB nonsense that when we lose it's all the refs fault. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 19, 2023 21:38:28 GMT
Rovers get bad referee decisions, so do other clubs. When you see the number of referee decisions that VAR has to judge whether they are offside or not and how many of them are judged in centimetres then you can’t blame linesmen if they sometimes get it wrong. They do get it wrong as do some referees. Blimey, we’re complaining about League 1 refs! I’m just delighted we don’t get some of the muppets we’ve seen in League 2.
But in many ways the players now are getting the referees they deserve. The diving, fake injuries, taking minutes over throw ins and wasting time when in the lead and general dissent they give to referees leave me fairly unsympathetic in the cold light of day. I am still remembering the antics of Shrewsbury before Christmas. In the moment I feel just as hard done by some things refs do or don’t do but once reason has taken over…..
But continually abusing referees and encroaching their dressing room can’t be defended. If anyone thinks it is acceptable then the standard of refereeing will continue to fall because no one will want to do it further down the pyramid. He just has to take his punishment.
And let’s face it if an opposing manager acted the way JB did on this occasion we’d be full of it and demanding action against them.
UTG!
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Post by percy on May 19, 2023 21:55:20 GMT
Rovers get bad referee decisions, so do other clubs. When you see the number of referee decisions that VAR has to judge whether they are offside or not and how many of them are judged in centimetres then you can’t blame linesmen if they sometimes get it wrong. They do get it wrong as do some referees. Blimey, we’re complaining about League 1 refs! I’m just delighted we don’t get some of the muppets we’ve seen in League 2. But in many ways the players now are getting the referees they deserve. The diving, fake injuries, taking minutes over throw ins and wasting time when in the lead and general dissent they give to referees leave me fairly unsympathetic in the cold light of day. I am still remembering the antics of Shrewsbury before Christmas. In the moment I feel just as hard done by some things refs do or don’t do but once reason has taken over….. But continually abusing referees and encroaching their dressing room can’t be defended. If anyone thinks it is acceptable then the standard of refereeing will continue to fall because no one will want to do it further down the pyramid. He just has to take his punishment. And let’s face it if an opposing manager acted the way JB did on this occasion we’d be full of it and demanding action against them. UTG! Deserves a 👏 not just a like. |
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Post by The Equaliser on May 20, 2023 6:36:12 GMT
Rovers get bad referee decisions, so do other clubs. When you see the number of referee decisions that VAR has to judge whether they are offside or not and how many of them are judged in centimetres then you can’t blame linesmen if they sometimes get it wrong. They do get it wrong as do some referees. Blimey, we’re complaining about League 1 refs! I’m just delighted we don’t get some of the muppets we’ve seen in League 2. But in many ways the players now are getting the referees they deserve. The diving, fake injuries, taking minutes over throw ins and wasting time when in the lead and general dissent they give to referees leave me fairly unsympathetic in the cold light of day. I am still remembering the antics of Shrewsbury before Christmas. In the moment I feel just as hard done by some things refs do or don’t do but once reason has taken over….. But continually abusing referees and encroaching their dressing room can’t be defended. If anyone thinks it is acceptable then the standard of refereeing will continue to fall because no one will want to do it further down the pyramid. He just has to take his punishment. And let’s face it if an opposing manager acted the way JB did on this occasion we’d be full of it and demanding action against them. UTG! I get where you are coming from. However, sometimes you have to stand up to authority, the right to protest something you feel strongly about is important. Generally the standard of refereeing in the lower divisions is frankly not good enough, of course referees can make mistakes but managers, players and to some degree supporters pay for those mistakes. It’s time the FA put some of that huge pot of money they make into making the officiating better…for everyone’s benefit. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2023 6:53:50 GMT
Rovers get bad referee decisions, so do other clubs. When you see the number of referee decisions that VAR has to judge whether they are offside or not and how many of them are judged in centimetres then you can’t blame linesmen if they sometimes get it wrong. They do get it wrong as do some referees. Blimey, we’re complaining about League 1 refs! I’m just delighted we don’t get some of the muppets we’ve seen in League 2. But in many ways the players now are getting the referees they deserve. The diving, fake injuries, taking minutes over throw ins and wasting time when in the lead and general dissent they give to referees leave me fairly unsympathetic in the cold light of day. I am still remembering the antics of Shrewsbury before Christmas. In the moment I feel just as hard done by some things refs do or don’t do but once reason has taken over….. But continually abusing referees and encroaching their dressing room can’t be defended. If anyone thinks it is acceptable then the standard of refereeing will continue to fall because no one will want to do it further down the pyramid. He just has to take his punishment. And let’s face it if an opposing manager acted the way JB did on this occasion we’d be full of it and demanding action against them. UTG! I get where you are coming from. However, sometimes you have to stand up to authority, the right to protest something you feel strongly about is important. Generally the standard of refereeing in the lower divisions is frankly not good enough, of course referees can make mistakes but managers, players and to some degree supporters pay for those mistakes. It’s time the FA put some of that huge pot of money they make into making the officiating better…for everyone’s benefit. Of course you have, on occasions, to stand up against authority. I don’t think I’ve said you haven’t. But let’s not excuse or justify thuggish behaviour just because JB is our manager. I suspect if he wasn’t then nearly all on here would be calling for action against an opposition manager who acted as JB has admitted to. Indeed, just as many on here back in 2019 (?) in the match against Fleetwood when JB and GC got into an argument and JB was red carded. The reaction in that match day thread was exactly as it should have been, completely against a man acting like a dick. Total hypocrisy some of this reaction. At least JB has fessed up and will take his punishment, as he often does. Yes, the standard of refereeing, in all leagues I’d say, needs improving and of course staff and fans pay for mistakes made but that’s the nature of the game I’m afraid. All about results. But do you really think actions like JBs will lead to improved refereeing standards? I don’t think you’re saying that are you? Seriously? UTG! |
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Post by The Equaliser on May 20, 2023 7:03:50 GMT
I get where you are coming from. However, sometimes you have to stand up to authority, the right to protest something you feel strongly about is important. Generally the standard of refereeing in the lower divisions is frankly not good enough, of course referees can make mistakes but managers, players and to some degree supporters pay for those mistakes. It’s time the FA put some of that huge pot of money they make into making the officiating better…for everyone’s benefit. Of course you have, on occasions, to stand up against authority. I don’t think I’ve said you haven’t. But let’s not excuse or justify thuggish behaviour just because JB is our manager. I suspect if he wasn’t then nearly all on here would be calling for action against an opposition manager who acted as JB has admitted to. Indeed, just as many on here back in 2019 (?) in the match against Fleetwood when JB and GC got into an argument and JB was red carded. The reaction in that match day thread was exactly as it should have been, completely against a man acting like a dick. Total hypocrisy some of this reaction. At least JB has fessed up and will take his punishment, as he often does. Yes, the standard of refereeing, in all leagues I’d say, needs improving and of course staff and fans pay for mistakes made but that’s the nature of the game I’m afraid. All about results. But do you really think actions like JBs will lead to improved refereeing standards? I don’t think you’re saying that are you? Seriously? UTG! No I did not say that. Without knowing the details I can’t pass judgment , but if he was over the top then he was wrong, totally wrong. But using ‘that’s the nature of the game’ isn’t good enough. The standard needs to be better and until it does players, managers and supporters will continue to call it out (hopefully without aggression). Many managers are calling for better, let’s hope one day soon the FA sort their own house out 👍🏾 |
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2023 7:28:54 GMT
Of course you have, on occasions, to stand up against authority. I don’t think I’ve said you haven’t. But let’s not excuse or justify thuggish behaviour just because JB is our manager. I suspect if he wasn’t then nearly all on here would be calling for action against an opposition manager who acted as JB has admitted to. Indeed, just as many on here back in 2019 (?) in the match against Fleetwood when JB and GC got into an argument and JB was red carded. The reaction in that match day thread was exactly as it should have been, completely against a man acting like a dick. Total hypocrisy some of this reaction. At least JB has fessed up and will take his punishment, as he often does. Yes, the standard of refereeing, in all leagues I’d say, needs improving and of course staff and fans pay for mistakes made but that’s the nature of the game I’m afraid. All about results. But do you really think actions like JBs will lead to improved refereeing standards? I don’t think you’re saying that are you? Seriously? UTG! No I did not say that. Without knowing the details I can’t pass judgment , but if he was over the top then he was wrong, totally wrong. But using ‘that’s the nature of the game’ isn’t good enough. The standard needs to be better and until it does players, managers and supporters will continue to call it out (hopefully without aggression). Many managers are calling for better, let’s hope one day soon the FA sort their own house out 👍🏾 But it is the ‘nature of the game’, players, referees make mistakes all the time, they’re human! Some are vital and match changing but whist you have referees you will have errors. Especially with players trying continually to over react when fouled and berating referees to get opponents sent off, diving when they’ve barely been touched. It all adds up to referees trying to determine what is and isn’t a foul and so on. But of course you’re right over the need to improve standards in refereeing. Id say that clubs and makers need to improve thebevaviour of their players as well. And they probably try to until you get that occasion when a vital decision goes against them. It’s then that mayhem happens! UTG! |
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Post by xenongas on May 20, 2023 7:32:30 GMT
Of course you have, on occasions, to stand up against authority. I don’t think I’ve said you haven’t. But let’s not excuse or justify thuggish behaviour just because JB is our manager. I suspect if he wasn’t then nearly all on here would be calling for action against an opposition manager who acted as JB has admitted to. Indeed, just as many on here back in 2019 (?) in the match against Fleetwood when JB and GC got into an argument and JB was red carded. The reaction in that match day thread was exactly as it should have been, completely against a man acting like a dick. Total hypocrisy some of this reaction. At least JB has fessed up and will take his punishment, as he often does. Yes, the standard of refereeing, in all leagues I’d say, needs improving and of course staff and fans pay for mistakes made but that’s the nature of the game I’m afraid. All about results. But do you really think actions like JBs will lead to improved refereeing standards? I don’t think you’re saying that are you? Seriously? UTG! No I did not say that. Without knowing the details I can’t pass judgment , but if he was over the top then he was wrong, totally wrong. But using ‘that’s the nature of the game’ isn’t good enough. The standard needs to be better and until it does players, managers and supporters will continue to call it out (hopefully without aggression). Many managers are calling for better, let’s hope one day soon the FA sort their own house out 👍🏾 I'd say the more a manager is under pressure, the more they wheel out the bad officiating line so it's hard to take on face value. Wareham is bang on. Baffles me how a win-at-all-costs mentality means trying to dupe the ref is perfectly acceptable but when the ref then gets it wrong it's an outrage. I agree with JB that refs should go full time and get better training to raise the standard and a bit more transparency would help quell the ref conspiracy theorists. Fair play to Howard Webb for trying to shed a little light but it'll be years before that approach trickles down the leagues. |
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Post by Somersetgas on May 20, 2023 7:41:20 GMT
Nobody will ever know what happened as refs are part of a secrete society, who are allowed to get away with their crazy bad decisions week in week out with no answer to their decisions. Perhaps it's different if your a Premiership manager but the FA gave a detailed explanation why he received his ban. As far as bad decisions, what answers do you expect, refs who make poor decisions to publicly apologise? I sense you are falling for the JB nonsense that when we lose it's all the refs fault. No not at all, but refs should be accountable for their decisions, why are they allowed to not to be held to account? |
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2023 10:41:20 GMT
No I did not say that. Without knowing the details I can’t pass judgment , but if he was over the top then he was wrong, totally wrong. But using ‘that’s the nature of the game’ isn’t good enough. The standard needs to be better and until it does players, managers and supporters will continue to call it out (hopefully without aggression). Many managers are calling for better, let’s hope one day soon the FA sort their own house out 👍🏾 I'd say the more a manager is under pressure, the more they wheel out the bad officiating line so it's hard to take on face value. Wareham is bang on. Baffles me how a win-at-all-costs mentality means trying to dupe the ref is perfectly acceptable but when the ref then gets it wrong it's an outrage. I agree with JB that refs should go full time and get better training to raise the standard and a bit more transparency would help quell the ref conspiracy theorists. Fair play to Howard Webb for trying to shed a little light but it'll be years before that approach trickles down the leagues. Yes I’m sure you’re right about the more pressure a manager is under the less reasoned they become. As in all games, managers, players, referees and officials have a part to play in making it a game without time wasting, diving, fake injuries etc. so it’s not just referees. And JB is right in that full time refs would be an improvement, certainly in their fitness and ability to keep up. How many times do we see the linesman several yards behind the line of play and so unable to give accurate offside decisions? (Although I rarely see refs ask for throw in decisions or any others from a linesman. They usually put their flags up once the ref has decided.) But even with full time refs wrong decisions will be made on occasions. I think it’s inevitable, others may disagree. We just need to keep those errors down to a minimum. Sometimes we just have to accept errors are made and as it is an emotional game on occasions those emotions spill over. That it happens relatively rarely shows most managers stay the right side of the line emotionally. Even JB usually. This time he didn’t, he admitted the charge and he’ll do his punishment. UTG! |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 20, 2023 12:23:22 GMT
The FA should put a lot more money into developing refereeing standards, after all, the officials are as vital to the game as having 22 players on the pitch. Having part-time officials in games featuring full-time atheletes is not a level playing field, there should be funding to have full-time refs/linesmen throughout the EFL. I think a lot of refs have got more savvy with regards to players ho try to con them, I'd like to see it disappear from the game, in the meantime, it's good that more refs are alert to it. I read an interview with a Premiership ref, who invites the managers into his room 10 minutes after the game, to discuss any contenscious decisions, I think it would be good if they did this while viewing the relevant footage. The ref can explain what he saw in real time, and fair enough, if a mistake was made, refereeing will never be an exact science - as some of the questionable VAR decisions have shown.
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Post by Somersetgas on May 20, 2023 14:08:30 GMT
The FA should put a lot more money into developing refereeing standards, after all, the officials are as vital to the game as having 22 players on the pitch. Having part-time officials in games featuring full-time atheletes is not a level playing field, there should be funding to have full-time refs/linesmen throughout the EFL. I think a lot of refs have got more savvy with regards to players ho try to con them, I'd like to see it disappear from the game, in the meantime, it's good that more refs are alert to it. I read an interview with a Premiership ref, who invites the managers into his room 10 minutes after the game, to discuss any contenscious decisions, I think it would be good if they did this while viewing the relevant footage. The ref can explain what he saw in real time, and fair enough, if a mistake was made, refereeing will never be an exact science - as some of the questionable VAR decisions have shown. Well put Tilly, some of the “Assistant” refs this season have been a total disgrace, unable to keep up with play then guess the decision. |
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Post by aghast on May 20, 2023 15:49:34 GMT
Are the club still appealing the ban? And if so are they disputing the offences or the punishment?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2023 17:25:29 GMT
Perhaps it's different if your a Premiership manager but the FA gave a detailed explanation why he received his ban. As far as bad decisions, what answers do you expect, refs who make poor decisions to publicly apologise? I sense you are falling for the JB nonsense that when we lose it's all the refs fault. No not at all, but refs should be accountable for their decisions, why are they allowed to not to be held to account? How do you know what goes on in the background at the FA, I assume somebody reviews the assessors reports and takes appropriate action, hence why some refs get promoted others stay at lower league level or may even get demoted. Nobody seems to have a solution to improve refs as it's obvious league clubs don't want to pay to make them pros or they'd have already done it. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2023 17:30:10 GMT
Are the club still appealing the ban? And if so are they disputing the offences or the punishment? How will anybody know on here, Bristol Live is reporting the club intend appealing so we have to assume that's the case? JB's already admitted the charges/offences so it must be just the punishment being appealed. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2023 17:37:46 GMT
Perhaps it's different if your a Premiership manager but the FA gave a detailed explanation why he received his ban. As far as bad decisions, what answers do you expect, refs who make poor decisions to publicly apologise? I sense you are falling for the JB nonsense that when we lose it's all the refs fault. No not at all, but refs should be accountable for their decisions, why are they allowed to not to be held to account? In what sense should they be accountable? How are they not held to account? I’m presuming they are assessed regularly. You’re right, they should own the decisions they make but what form would this ‘accountability’ take? Facing the media? A press conference? Being questioned by the local radio just after the managers are? That would all be very transparent and open and we don’t really know what occurs afterwards at the moment. I think they are held to account in some way, after all isn’t that why some managers say they’ve had a call from the referees panel to apologise for certain decisions. UTG! |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 20, 2023 18:07:13 GMT
No not at all, but refs should be accountable for their decisions, why are they allowed to not to be held to account? In what sense should they be accountable? How are they not held to account? I’m presuming they are assessed regularly. You’re right, they should own the decisions they make but what form would this ‘accountability’ take? Facing the media? A press conference? Being questioned by the local radio just after the managers are? That would all be very transparent and open and we don’t really know what occurs afterwards at the moment. I think they are held to account in some way, after all isn’t that why some managers say they’ve had a call from the referees panel to apologise for certain decisions. UTG! Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. |
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