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Post by eric on May 20, 2023 18:15:04 GMT
In what sense should they be accountable? How are they not held to account? I’m presuming they are assessed regularly. You’re right, they should own the decisions they make but what form would this ‘accountability’ take? Facing the media? A press conference? Being questioned by the local radio just after the managers are? That would all be very transparent and open and we don’t really know what occurs afterwards at the moment. I think they are held to account in some way, after all isn’t that why some managers say they’ve had a call from the referees panel to apologise for certain decisions. UTG! Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. After spending season after season on the East Terrace watching these terrible Lino’s at close hand I think the assessor or experienced mentor simply needs to remind them to keep their eyes open and stay in line with the last defender. To add a bit of balance the officials in League One are top notch when it comes to polishing of their boots, ironing their socks and in their perfect, well rehearsed, synchronised pre match warm ups!!! |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2023 18:16:49 GMT
In what sense should they be accountable? How are they not held to account? I’m presuming they are assessed regularly. You’re right, they should own the decisions they make but what form would this ‘accountability’ take? Facing the media? A press conference? Being questioned by the local radio just after the managers are? That would all be very transparent and open and we don’t really know what occurs afterwards at the moment. I think they are held to account in some way, after all isn’t that why some managers say they’ve had a call from the referees panel to apologise for certain decisions. UTG! Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. You get the impression refs do discuss their decisions after a match, but they are not going to do it with JB if he's swearing at them, looking at the iFollow highlights JB got his yellow card for disputing a foul given against Collins when it looked like a correct decision. You sense JB hates refs and refs hate JB for hating them, I'm not sure what good all this hated is doing for Rovers as a club, it's certainly not getting us more points. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 20, 2023 18:44:04 GMT
Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. You get the impression refs do discuss their decisions after a match, but they are not going to do it with JB if he's swearing at them, looking at the iFollow highlights JB got his yellow card for disputing a foul given against Collins when it looked like a correct decision. You sense JB hates refs and refs hate JB for hating them, I'm not sure what good all this hated is doing for Rovers as a club, it's certainly not getting us more points. Some refs do have a discussion after a match, if it was mandatory, the Managers would know that there will be a chance to have decisions clarified, so no point in rushing to the ref after the game - he'll hear you out soon enough. |
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Post by percy on May 20, 2023 18:50:41 GMT
Weird this thread has just become a discussion about ref performances
Distraction?
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Post by warehamgas on May 21, 2023 8:31:44 GMT
In what sense should they be accountable? How are they not held to account? I’m presuming they are assessed regularly. You’re right, they should own the decisions they make but what form would this ‘accountability’ take? Facing the media? A press conference? Being questioned by the local radio just after the managers are? That would all be very transparent and open and we don’t really know what occurs afterwards at the moment. I think they are held to account in some way, after all isn’t that why some managers say they’ve had a call from the referees panel to apologise for certain decisions. UTG! Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. Yes, I agree with all that. 👍 They must not face the press. The unintended consequences that would flow from that could be disastrous. What you’ve suggested sounds about right. UTG! |
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Post by dudelebowski on May 21, 2023 8:43:12 GMT
Standing half way between the centre circle and the edge of the box on the East Terrace, you really get the best view of just how awful, slow & shocking some of the Lino’s are at the job.
Week on week it’s guess work galore & the incident in question wasn’t even close. The Wednesday player’s entire body was beyond the last man & he just let it go.
Nowhere near good enough.
That being said JB has to try his best to rein it in a touch, unleash Mangan & the rest of the coaching staff to hand out the rockets. Gasheads around me certainly do their bit😁😁
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 21, 2023 8:53:19 GMT
Another over the top reaction by the powers that be. just because it was Joey Barton. Plenty of managers calling out referees in their after match interviews and no doubt behind closed doors, unfortunately it would appear the officials concerned could not keep quiet about it and the league has backed their incompetence and made a total over reaction as to why Joey was not happy and ignored the big mistakes made by the referee and the linesman in this instance. Why on earth we have a fourth official apart from the need to cover any injury to one of the three on the field of play is beyond me, they appear to have no power whatsoever to challenge anything the referee does during a game. Anyone who witnessed their performance on that night will realise that they were incompetent. The three match stadium ban is a total over reaction. simply because it was JB. I always read your posts with interest, you are a poster who looks for balance. I just feel that many have been blinded by Barton and because he is our gaffer. What many “forget” in the rush to back him up, is that he has been carefully building up his own persona and so it’s hardly surprising when he is then seemingly picked out. The fact is none of us know the exact goings on, not yet anyway, i think that the full explanation does come but at a later date. What many also have not even mentioned is how Barton has accepted this, even though the club is appealing this, he has said that he was out of order, or words to that effect. I will wait for the explanation and then we can see if this punishment fits the crime. Hope you are having a great weekend my friend, are you still managing to meet up with Kev before a game ? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 21, 2023 8:59:35 GMT
Klopp now given a two match ban. Is this the new thing to start banning managers from grounds. Klopp's only got a touch line ban not a stadium ban, I assume just celebrating in front of the the 4th official was consider a lesser offence www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22405657/fa-klopp-ref-liverpool-ban/If the FA release the reasons why JB was banned it'll probably make interesting reading. I am fairly confident that they have to give that information |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 21, 2023 9:04:30 GMT
On the plus side we might actually get favourable decisions from the officials with Barton absent from the ground 😆 😂 😂 |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 21, 2023 9:17:25 GMT
That’s even more damning !🫣🫣🫣
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 21, 2023 9:21:12 GMT
Rovers get bad referee decisions, so do other clubs. When you see the number of referee decisions that VAR has to judge whether they are offside or not and how many of them are judged in centimetres then you can’t blame linesmen if they sometimes get it wrong. They do get it wrong as do some referees. Blimey, we’re complaining about League 1 refs! I’m just delighted we don’t get some of the muppets we’ve seen in League 2. But in many ways the players now are getting the referees they deserve. The diving, fake injuries, taking minutes over throw ins and wasting time when in the lead and general dissent they give to referees leave me fairly unsympathetic in the cold light of day. I am still remembering the antics of Shrewsbury before Christmas. In the moment I feel just as hard done by some things refs do or don’t do but once reason has taken over….. But continually abusing referees and encroaching their dressing room can’t be defended. If anyone thinks it is acceptable then the standard of refereeing will continue to fall because no one will want to do it further down the pyramid. He just has to take his punishment. And let’s face it if an opposing manager acted the way JB did on this occasion we’d be full of it and demanding action against them. UTG! I get where you are coming from. However, sometimes you have to stand up to authority, the right to protest something you feel strongly about is important. Generally the standard of refereeing in the lower divisions is frankly not good enough, of course referees can make mistakes but managers, players and to some degree supporters pay for those mistakes. It’s time the FA put some of that huge pot of money they make into making the officiating better…for everyone’s benefit. Indeed, you must have heard the saying, pay peanuts, get monkeys and, as a rule i have found that to be true, one or two being the exception. It really is time for properly trained and paid pro refs and not some of the clowns that are officiating games, now. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 21, 2023 10:13:05 GMT
I get where you are coming from. However, sometimes you have to stand up to authority, the right to protest something you feel strongly about is important. Generally the standard of refereeing in the lower divisions is frankly not good enough, of course referees can make mistakes but managers, players and to some degree supporters pay for those mistakes. It’s time the FA put some of that huge pot of money they make into making the officiating better…for everyone’s benefit. Indeed, you must have heard the saying, pay peanuts, get monkeys and, as a rule i have found that to be true, one or two being the exception. It really is time for properly trained and paid pro refs and not some of the clowns that are officiating games, now. Wouldn't they just be the same "clowns" but paid a wage, as there's hardly a big pool of refs just waiting for the job to turn pro, although VAR really now highlights how many errors the pro refs make although I'm not sure the game is any better for having VAR. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 21, 2023 10:21:42 GMT
Indeed, you must have heard the saying, pay peanuts, get monkeys and, as a rule i have found that to be true, one or two being the exception. It really is time for properly trained and paid pro refs and not some of the clowns that are officiating games, now. Wouldn't they just be the same "clowns" but paid a wage, as there's hardly a big pool of refs just waiting for the job to turn pro, although VAR really now highlights how many errors the pro refs make although I'm not sure the game is any better for having VAR. if they were trained , as footballers are, had fitness assessments and had to be up to a certain minimum standard then i think we would see better refs plus they do need to be paid accordingly. As it is i am surprised many even want to do the job. |
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Post by herbertblake on May 22, 2023 21:41:49 GMT
Wouldn't they just be the same "clowns" but paid a wage, as there's hardly a big pool of refs just waiting for the job to turn pro, although VAR really now highlights how many errors the pro refs make although I'm not sure the game is any better for having VAR. if they were trained , as footballers are, had fitness assessments and had to be up to a certain minimum standard then i think we would see better refs plus they do need to be paid accordingly. As it is i am surprised many even want to do the job. A question I always ask players retiring from Pro game why not stay in the game not as another radio TV summariser but as a referee. They pretty much are uninterested in putting something back into the game unless paid handsomely. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 23, 2023 3:26:19 GMT
All this talk of JB hates refs, refs hate JB, seems to me most managers have a rant at refs now and again so why the need to single out JB as some kind of exception?, from Fergie to Wenger, Klopp to every one else ,even saint DC has had his moments, JB thought we had been victims of an injustice, made his feelings clear and has to accept the punishment, just like all the afore mentioned before him, end of!
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Post by The Equaliser on May 23, 2023 17:55:47 GMT
if they were trained , as footballers are, had fitness assessments and had to be up to a certain minimum standard then i think we would see better refs plus they do need to be paid accordingly. As it is i am surprised many even want to do the job. A question I always ask players retiring from Pro game why not stay in the game not as another radio TV summariser but as a referee. They pretty much are uninterested in putting something back into the game unless paid handsomely. You had a point until you ended with “unless paid handsomely “ - you don’t know that 👍🏾 |
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Post by smudge1 on May 23, 2023 18:42:57 GMT
Maybe "accountable" is too strong a word for what I meant, I certainly don't think questioning by the media would be a good route to go down. A behind doors discussion with the managers after the game (f required), where the ref can give his account of what he saw at the time. I know we sometimes hear of refs being "rested" for a few games, or they get dropped down a league after a high profile, incorrect decision - probably happens more with the professional refs, as they are under the national spotlight on television. I would hope that at our level, any big mistakes would be addressed by receiving advice from an experienced ref (or ex referee), as to how the situation may be avoided in the future - e.g. position on the field of play. After spending season after season on the East Terrace watching these terrible Lino’s at close hand I think the assessor or experienced mentor simply needs to remind them to keep their eyes open and stay in line with the last defender. To add a bit of balance the officials in League One are top notch when it comes to polishing of their boots, ironing their socks and in their perfect, well rehearsed, synchronised pre match warm ups!!! I 100 per cent agree, the East terrace has proven to be a good vantage point. The standard of referees and assistant referees has been appalling. It is getting worse. I was a ref for a few years and ran the line on the Vauxhall conference so I can see both sides but standards have dropped so low. So many shocking decisions have been seen this season ! |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 23, 2023 19:35:23 GMT
if they were trained , as footballers are, had fitness assessments and had to be up to a certain minimum standard then i think we would see better refs plus they do need to be paid accordingly. As it is i am surprised many even want to do the job. A question I always ask players retiring from Pro game why not stay in the game not as another radio TV summariser but as a referee. They pretty much are uninterested in putting something back into the game unless paid handsomely. Maybe they're looking forward to spending weekends with their families? |
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Post by madgas on May 23, 2023 19:43:14 GMT
I sympathise with refs, supporters, players and managers on this one.
I will say I think the refs on the whole this season were better than for a while. However, offside is already diminishing in league one. The prem linos are a nonsense as they refer to VAR and there's no incentive to even be good at calling a line. There seemed a few stinkers called incorrectly this year.
The game needs to look at investment. Can't believe with the riches of the prem- there's not enough for 200 full time refs and assistants. The FA wants respect- they should lead the way through funding. Eliminate crap at the top of the pyramid the rest will follow.
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