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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 5, 2024 12:48:09 GMT
It's a bit soon to start looking at PPG imo, but... We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 11 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) Reasons to be optimistic I reckon. Draw away to Barnsley and we will have equalled Barton's points haul for the season having played 6 fewer matches! I'm talking mostly about the squad and whether it needs improving . The argument from the board was ' the club isn't in the top 8 'therefore it is underachieving. Prior to Barton our record was 4 4 5. If we lose at Barnsley it will be 9 7 9. If the squad with the current manager improves. Then my challenge is flawed as it will be the previous managers fault . If there is no improvement post Barton then the Squad isn't good enough for top 8. Therefore : what's the solution?. If the board decides not to spend in January with little improvement on the pitch. Why the revamp ?. But there actually has been an improvement on the pitch since Barton left. His record was W4 D4 L5 (PPG1.23) Mangs' record was W2 D2 L1 (PPG1.6) Taylor's record is W3 D1 L2 (PPG1.66) This is with the same squad. Taylor has the January window now to make some tweaks - the loss of Wilson is huge.. so that will need addressing. If he can get us a striker (huge ask) and improve/add depth elsewhere then we could have quite a strong finish. |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jan 5, 2024 12:53:59 GMT
If the new owners don’t put any money in for new players this tranny window then I can’t see much use being made of the new south stand by Rovers fans if we remain mid table.Spend say £500k and just get near the top 6 then an extra 2000 through the gate for the remaining 12 home games would most likely cover that £500k outlay (rough estimate @ £20 per ticket - £20 x 2000 x 12 = £480k ).It would be a risk as no guarantee of moving up the table but I do wonder if they have even looked into something like this.
Might also put them off going ahead with further stadium work if the new South stand lies empty for most of the rest of this season (If it ever gets to full working capacity I mean).
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 5, 2024 13:04:17 GMT
It's a bit soon to start looking at PPG imo, but... We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 11 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) Reasons to be optimistic I reckon. Draw away to Barnsley and we will have equalled Barton's points haul for the season having played 6 fewer matches! I thought we had 16 points from 13 games not 11 when Barton was sacked . I stand to be corrected . Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 5, 2024 13:14:53 GMT
I thought we had 16 points from 13 games not 11 when Barton was sacked . I stand to be corrected . Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. Plus Barton brought in the players, to fit his system. So he should have done better with them. How did Barton do with Garner/Tisdales squad?? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 5, 2024 13:25:16 GMT
I thought we had 16 points from 13 games not 11 when Barton was sacked . I stand to be corrected . Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. They remain at the moment as better but if we lose to Barnsley ( as I stated ) then it is marginally better . My main point is unless the board spend in January why the revamp ?. |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 5, 2024 13:54:53 GMT
If the new owners don’t put any money in for new players this tranny window then I can’t see much use being made of the new south stand by Rovers fans if we remain mid table.Spend say £500k and just get near the top 6 then an extra 2000 through the gate for the remaining 12 home games would most likely cover that £500k outlay (rough estimate @ £20 per ticket - £20 x 2000 x 12 = £480k ).It would be a risk as no guarantee of moving up the table but I do wonder if they have even looked into something like this. Might also put them off going ahead with further stadium work if the new South stand lies empty for most of the rest of this season (If it ever gets to full working capacity I mean). Short term view? Personally, I won't making much(if any) use of the new stand this season. However, if the club market it and allow family people like me to have a look at the facility, I might be tempted to purchase STs next year. If it has toilets that are up to standard for my daughters to use, a seat with a view and the ability to get a hot chocolate within 5 minutes, it would appeal to us. That's new ST holders for next year and beyond. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 5, 2024 13:59:30 GMT
Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. They remain at the moment as better but if we lose to Barnsley ( as I stated ) then it is marginally better . My main point is unless the board spend in January why the revamp ?. We need to improve the defence or we will ship a lot of goals. Recent improvements coincide with Wilsons run of games too and now he is out for the foreseeable He misses Blackpool and Wycombe and we lose both while conceding 6 goals. Barton hardly had him available so that shouldnt be ignored when comparing managers results |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 5, 2024 14:25:52 GMT
We have a new owner who has come in and: - sacked a manager decisively as basically mid table league 1 is not good enough for this club. - Immediately paid for a new stand, giving us probably the best ground in living memory for most. Immediately paid millions as just waiting for “the project” isn’t enough, he wants it NOW. - Just put his balls on the block and told the world Bristol Rovers want top flight. This is different, I don’t care if we are called fools. This guy isn’t messing around. Just because he’s not a media guy like Wael doesn’t mean anything. Judge the man by his actions and his actions from what I can see are overwhelmingly positive. Another gem from Taylor in a recent interview was when he kind of scoffed and said “any team playing away to Bristol Rovers should find it a hard fixture” or words to that effect. This is the most self-respect this club has ever shown itself and I’m all for it. Screw the naysayers, ambition good. If you don’t believe you can; you won’t. Nice words Gulf and I fully agree . All you’ve gotta do is believe! How’s Brexit going mate ? 🙄😂 Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you only spoke in French now, Agent Brussel. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 5, 2024 14:37:56 GMT
Nice words Gulf and I fully agree . All you’ve gotta do is believe! How’s Brexit going mate ? 🙄😂 Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you only spoke in French now, Agent Brussel. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 5, 2024 14:43:55 GMT
Nice words Gulf and I fully agree . All you’ve gotta do is believe! How’s Brexit going mate ? 🙄😂 Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you only spoke in French now, Agent Brussel. Only with my fellow Francophiles like you Gulf 😘 🇫🇷 |
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Post by edotb on Jan 5, 2024 14:53:36 GMT
how do you say pride of the west country?
fierté du pays de l'ouest
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 5, 2024 15:00:12 GMT
Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. They remain at the moment as better but if we lose to Barnsley ( as I stated ) then it is marginally better . My main point is unless the board spend in January why the revamp ?. If by "revamp" you are asking why did we sack Barton? The new owner stated the reasons: "When we came this summer we invested in players and I think for that budget, comparing to the other budgets in the league, we should be around the top eight if not better. Basically, the results did not reflect what we have spent. We thought for our plans, our ideas, our vision, we thought we could go to someone else with a fresh approach that can take this team further."They are quite clear that they think that the players we have should be enough to be up there and Barton was underachieving with that squad. 6 games into Matt Taylor's tenure and, whilst too soon really to draw any meaningful comparisons imo, they are looking like their decision could be justified. It is impressive how MT inherited a squad from Barton and is already improving on his PPG and that includes wins against Bolton(a) and top of the table Portsmouth! A few tweaks to cover injuries / returning loanees etc (and a striker would be nice) and we could have a cracking end to the season. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 5, 2024 15:06:40 GMT
Yes you are correct; it looks like I mistyped the total points tally, but the PPG is correct Updated: We were 17th when Barton was sacked. Played 13 games, earned 16 points (average of 1.23PPG) Mangs in the interim managed us for 5 league games and earned us 8 points (average of 1.6PPG) We're now 11th and Matt Taylor has managed us for 6 league games and earned us 10 points (average 1.66PPG) So my point about improved results on the pitch (so far) since Barton was sacked remains. They remain at the moment as better but if we lose to Barnsley ( as I stated ) then it is marginally better . My main point is unless the board spend in January why the revamp ?. Taylor hasn't even worked with some of the squad yet, as they have been injured. It makes sense to wait until the summer, as we will get better value for our money and he will have time to assess the current squad properly. A few additions are needed now, but any big signings should wait until he's sure if what we need and can get good value. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 15:21:24 GMT
They remain at the moment as better but if we lose to Barnsley ( as I stated ) then it is marginally better . My main point is unless the board spend in January why the revamp ?. Taylor hasn't even worked with some of the squad yet, as they have been injured. It makes sense to wait until the summer, as we will get better value for our money and he will have time to assess the current squad properly. A few additions are needed now, but any big signings should wait until he's sure if what we need and can get good value. Why does it make sense to wait for the summer when it’s been the weakest Div1 in decades and next season will revert to a mini championship proper again? Why not bed the players in now for next season? Let me put you in Daniel’s world back on the 31st January 2018………on this day we signed Jonson Clarke Harris on a 2 year deal and Abu Ogogo who helped keep us up. 11 months later we were 3rd in Division 1 having won at Portsmouth, both players bedded in with us. Come the summer, we are battling for every player with much bigger clubs, look at Alfie May. We end up getting John Marquis’s training on his own in debut! We signed Lambert in this window as well, stop making excuses, they found £800k in the summer, go and throw £500k at someone now. |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 5, 2024 15:32:12 GMT
We have a new owner who has come in and: - sacked a manager decisively as basically mid table league 1 is not good enough for this club. - Immediately paid for a new stand, giving us probably the best ground in living memory for most. Immediately paid millions as just waiting for “the project” isn’t enough, he wants it NOW. - Just put his balls on the block and told the world Bristol Rovers want top flight. This is different, I don’t care if we are called fools. This guy isn’t messing around. Just because he’s not a media guy like Wael doesn’t mean anything. Judge the man by his actions and his actions from what I can see are overwhelmingly positive. Another gem from Taylor in a recent interview was when he kind of scoffed and said “any team playing away to Bristol Rovers should find it a hard fixture” or words to that effect. This is the most self-respect this club has ever shown itself and I’m all for it. Screw the naysayers, ambition good. If you don’t believe you can; you won’t. Spot on . You forgot that he also saw through the Fruit Market straight away and called it . I actually thought that the young kid interviewed him quite well and kept it conversational rather than question and answer which was why the owner came across in a warmer way than perhaps in the first interview which had a far more formal feel about it . I liked the was that he responded to the Premier League comment in a very matter of fact way and just said " of course" when asked whether that was realistic. The reality is that the potential at this club is huge and the people who cant see it are looking at the wrong things. For the first time since i have been at Rovers the business model makes clear sense and that is why we have a true reason to be optimistic. In the past football clubs outside the top tier were just money pits and the people who funded them did so for emotional rather than business reasons . Times have changed however and the huge income from TV rights is working its way slowly down the pyramid if you get it right. The chairman gives me the impression that though he enjoys the atmosphere etc he realises that the Gas realistically offer a good potential return on investement. It is true that we have a smallish ground - yes it needs a lot of work to bring it up to modern standards - yes we have had many false dawns. Previous plans involved taking kids on, improving them and selling for a profit. We were looking at multi use stadiums with 365/7 day potential for driving income . That has all changed now however. The reality is that because of relegation and promotion we are just 11 places out of the Championship and 34 outside the premiership - both of which offer automatic access to the increased TV rights- of far more importance than match day attendance money. Just 12 months ago Bill Foley - a US Businessman - paid £120 million for Bournemouth Football Club so it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise that we would match that value if we get promoted . That is why our various shareholders can justify putting a fair chunk of money into Bristol Rovers . The potential return is worth the risk. Previously optimism has been based on too many wooly things . Now it seems to be based upon a more realistic business model and whilst that does not still guarantee success it has better odds. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 5, 2024 15:49:57 GMT
Taylor hasn't even worked with some of the squad yet, as they have been injured. It makes sense to wait until the summer, as we will get better value for our money and he will have time to assess the current squad properly. A few additions are needed now, but any big signings should wait until he's sure if what we need and can get good value. Why does it make sense to wait for the summer when it’s been the weakest Div1 in decades and next season will revert to a mini championship proper again? Why not bed the players in now for next season? Let me put you in Daniel’s world back on the 31st January 2018………on this day we signed Jonson Clarke Harris on a 2 year deal and Abu Ogogo who helped keep us up. 11 months later we were 3rd in Division 1 having won at Portsmouth, both players bedded in with us. Come the summer, we are battling for every player with much bigger clubs, look at Alfie May. We end up getting John Marquis’s training on his own in debut! We signed Lambert in this window as well, stop making excuses, they found £800k in the summer, go and throw £500k at someone now. If Taylor knows who he needs and they are available at the right price, then we should go for them now. I would only go for JCH, if the Martin deal falls through. We still need another striker, but someone different from them. As a fan, I say sign everyone now 😂. But from a football prospective, it makes sense to wait until we can get the right players. We might get them now, but it's more likely, they would be available during the summer. Would you sign a player that is worse now, rather than wait until the summer?? It's not just us who say it, the majority of clubs say it's harder to sign players during the January window. Less out of contract players, clubs don't want to lose key players etc. The only time you might get a bargain, is if a player is out of contract during the summer. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 5, 2024 16:09:27 GMT
Taylor hasn't even worked with some of the squad yet, as they have been injured. It makes sense to wait until the summer, as we will get better value for our money and he will have time to assess the current squad properly. A few additions are needed now, but any big signings should wait until he's sure if what we need and can get good value. Why does it make sense to wait for the summer when it’s been the weakest Div1 in decades and next season will revert to a mini championship proper again? Why not bed the players in now for next season? Let me put you in Daniel’s world back on the 31st January 2018………on this day we signed Jonson Clarke Harris on a 2 year deal and Abu Ogogo who helped keep us up. 11 months later we were 3rd in Division 1 having won at Portsmouth, both players bedded in with us. Come the summer, we are battling for every player with much bigger clubs, look at Alfie May. We end up getting John Marquis’s training on his own in debut! We signed Lambert in this window as well, stop making excuses, they found £800k in the summer, go and throw £500k at someone now. There again how many players are out of contract in the summer? Flashing the cash now may leave us short of funds then. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 5, 2024 16:23:44 GMT
how do you say pride of the west country? fierté du pays de l'ouest It’s actually Ahon-he-hon-he-hon. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 5, 2024 16:32:22 GMT
Why does it make sense to wait for the summer when it’s been the weakest Div1 in decades and next season will revert to a mini championship proper again? Why not bed the players in now for next season? Let me put you in Daniel’s world back on the 31st January 2018………on this day we signed Jonson Clarke Harris on a 2 year deal and Abu Ogogo who helped keep us up. 11 months later we were 3rd in Division 1 having won at Portsmouth, both players bedded in with us. Come the summer, we are battling for every player with much bigger clubs, look at Alfie May. We end up getting John Marquis’s training on his own in debut! We signed Lambert in this window as well, stop making excuses, they found £800k in the summer, go and throw £500k at someone now. There again how many players are out of contract in the summer? Flashing the cash now may leave us short of funds then. £7.5k p/w we were prepared to off JCH. Could get 2 or 3 quality out-of-contract players in the summer for that sort of money. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 5, 2024 16:39:07 GMT
There again how many players are out of contract in the summer? Flashing the cash now may leave us short of funds then. £7.5k p/w we were prepared to off JCH. Could get 2 or 3 quality out-of-contract players in the summer for that sort of money. Will we find these quality players though, history says probably not. And if we did why would they want to come here? JCH is guaranteed to score goals and wanted to be here. Even after hardly playing he starts and scores a brace..oozes goals |
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