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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 24, 2024 11:08:26 GMT
Fail to sign Chris Martin or a suitable alternative and we will end up getting relegated. It will be cheaper to challenge at the top of L2 and crowds will still turn up if doing well. Maybe thats what they want? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 11:14:56 GMT
We agreed a 1 year deal with Martin in September, the owners son stopped it and said only 3 months. If true good. Why would we give out a 1 year deal to someone that is 35 and was unfit! If he had picked up an injury, like a lot of players do in that situation. You and others would have been moaning about the board giving it a one year deal to someone not playing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It's funny how you seem to know everything after. But are not speaking up at the time?? Chris Martin is not a George Friend, a Rossiter or a Wilson who have averged less than 22 games a season their whole careers sometimes less. This wasnt a player who had spent last season injured and dropped a league to get fit. Hes a regular 40 game a season marksman who scores goals at a higher level than we have been the whole of his career. It was obvious in the first 3 games he played in that Marquis couldnt continually replicate his form which kept him out of the side to start with and that soon as Martin gained his match fitness he was far and away the better option. This was obvious by around the middle of october. At that point we should have extended his deal to the end of the season and looked to move Marquis on in Jan. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 11:16:11 GMT
Fail to sign Chris Martin or a suitable alternative and we will end up getting relegated. It will be cheaper to challenge at the top of L2 and crowds will turn up if doing well. Maybe thats what they want? I wont renew my ST again in £2000 a year box to watch L2 football with a shambolic ownership in charge let me tell you. And if we plummet like a stone again then neither will a good few others. |
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Post by gassedOut on Jan 24, 2024 11:17:47 GMT
Amazing that all through the age groups Greenslade considered one of the best Strikers in South west not just in his age Group but the year above. Sonny Cox (who is the same age ) considered not quite as good through all the age groups as Greenslade and have similar Goal scoring Records in National League South. Sonny Cox given an opportunity at the start of the Year and scores the Winner against us. Greenslade although Back full time with the first team squad is waiting for a loan move but nobody at the club to deal with it! And nobody at the Club to give him an opportunity....YET! This has happened with several players of theirs. They loan them out to just get minutes and then stick them in the side. And made a lot of money doing so. Great if your Club has the Balls to do it!! With Exeter it has not done them any harm with Ethan Ampadou and Ben Chrisene and Ollie Watkins all sold out for over a million each! Their Model Works! |
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Post by richie on Jan 24, 2024 11:18:12 GMT
if Martin goes i'm not going to be upset, looking at the negatives; I wouldn't want him to lead the line next season, even having him as backup/around the squad would be a expensive luxury. hes 35 and has rarely scored double figures throughout his career. I get the feeling this is a purple patch and once the goals dry up, he'll just be a less mobile Marquis he'll be on a tidy sum. if we aint even going to try and do anything else this season, give a younger player the opportunity. Looks like we'll miss his goals but short term pain could lead to longer term gain "I get the feeling this is a purple patch and once the goals dry up" You do realise Chris Martin is 8th in the all-time Championship top goalscorers list with 114 goals, don't you!?!? It seems we're a loggerheads on nearly everything we post. whilst he maybe 8th highest scorer or such like you might have to ask why? - hes played for many successful teams in the championship, but only a handful of games in the Prem. 600 games in the championship approx 150 career goals translates to 1 in every 4, 40 games 10 goals a season. He's managed that 8 times in 18 years and one of those was in L1. So for me suggesting he's prolific is a bit of an overstatement. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 24, 2024 11:20:07 GMT
If true good. Why would we give out a 1 year deal to someone that is 35 and was unfit! If he had picked up an injury, like a lot of players do in that situation. You and others would have been moaning about the board giving it a one year deal to someone not playing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It's funny how you seem to know everything after. But are not speaking up at the time?? Chris Martin is not a George Friend, a Rossiter or a Wilson who have averged less than 22 games a season their whole careers sometimes less. This wasnt a player who had spent last season injured and dropped a league to get fit. Hes a regular 40 game a season marksman who scores goals at a higher level than we have been the whole of his career. It was obvious in the first 3 games he played in that Marquis couldnt continually replicate his form which kept him out of the side to start with and that soon as Martin gained his match fitness he was far and away the better option. This was obvious by around the middle of october. At that point we should have extended his deal to the end of the season and looked to move Marquis on in Jan. Age catches up with everyone, especially when you have not trained properly first months, like Martin said himself. When he was first getting fit, he did have a few set backs, he said that himself. At 35, the majority would struggle to get fit, without picking up any injuries. So stating what he did previously, with a pre season behind him is irrelevant. There comes a time, when everyone's body starts playing up. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 24, 2024 11:44:27 GMT
Chris Martin is not a George Friend, a Rossiter or a Wilson who have averged less than 22 games a season their whole careers sometimes less. This wasnt a player who had spent last season injured and dropped a league to get fit. Hes a regular 40 game a season marksman who scores goals at a higher level than we have been the whole of his career. It was obvious in the first 3 games he played in that Marquis couldnt continually replicate his form which kept him out of the side to start with and that soon as Martin gained his match fitness he was far and away the better option. This was obvious by around the middle of october. At that point we should have extended his deal to the end of the season and looked to move Marquis on in Jan. Age catches up with everyone, especially when you have not trained properly first months, like Martin said himself. When he was first getting fit, he did have a few set backs, he said that himself. At 35, the majority would struggle to get fit, without picking up any injuries. So stating what he did previously, with a pre season behind him is irrelevant. There comes a time, when everyone's body starts playing up. Old McDonald spoke some sh** e I e I o |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 24, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Age catches up with everyone, especially when you have not trained properly first months, like Martin said himself. When he was first getting fit, he did have a few set backs, he said that himself. At 35, the majority would struggle to get fit, without picking up any injuries. So stating what he did previously, with a pre season behind him is irrelevant. There comes a time, when everyone's body starts playing up. Old McDonald spoke some sh** e I e I o What?? Tell me what is wrong with that?? I've worked a lot in sports fitness having done a degree in sports coaching and performance over ten years ago. If I name call, instead of debating, you might pay more attention though. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 11:54:09 GMT
"I get the feeling this is a purple patch and once the goals dry up" You do realise Chris Martin is 8th in the all-time Championship top goalscorers list with 114 goals, don't you!?!? It seems we're a loggerheads on nearly everything we post. whilst he maybe 8th highest scorer or such like you might have to ask why? - hes played for many successful teams in the championship, but only a handful of games in the Prem. 600 games in the championship approx 150 career goals translates to 1 in every 4, 40 games 10 goals a season. He's managed that 8 times in 18 years and one of those was in L1. So for me suggesting he's prolific is a bit of an overstatement. But then look at his minutes played and goal involvements. Every bit as important as hitting the back of the net. As we have seen, his physicality, aerial ability, link play and movement off the ball creates just as much as his ability to finish. |
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Post by richie on Jan 24, 2024 12:12:17 GMT
It seems we're a loggerheads on nearly everything we post. whilst he maybe 8th highest scorer or such like you might have to ask why? - hes played for many successful teams in the championship, but only a handful of games in the Prem. 600 games in the championship approx 150 career goals translates to 1 in every 4, 40 games 10 goals a season. He's managed that 8 times in 18 years and one of those was in L1. So for me suggesting he's prolific is a bit of an overstatement. But then look at his minutes played and goal involvements. Every bit as important as hitting the back of the net. As we have seen, his physicality, aerial ability, link play and movement off the ball creates just as much as his ability to finish. Not saying hes a bad player but that's not the point being made. To have a sustained career at that level is very impressive and i'm sure he brings in many valuable attributes to the teams that he's played for. I'm just saying he's not a prolific goalscorer and never has been, Pirate sees it differently. |
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Post by RD on Jan 24, 2024 12:19:17 GMT
It will be cheaper to challenge at the top of L2 and crowds will turn up if doing well. Maybe thats what they want? I wont renew my ST again in £2000 a year box to watch L2 football with a shambolic ownership in charge let me tell you. And if we plummet like a stone again then neither will a good few others. Good news then - It'll be £4000 |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 24, 2024 12:27:12 GMT
But then look at his minutes played and goal involvements. Every bit as important as hitting the back of the net. As we have seen, his physicality, aerial ability, link play and movement off the ball creates just as much as his ability to finish. Not saying hes a bad player but that's not the point being made. To have a sustained career at that level is very impressive and i'm sure he brings in many valuable attributes to the teams that he's played for. I'm just saying he's not a prolific goalscorer and never has been, Pirate sees it differently. Prolific or not, as soon as he isnt in the team we have zero shots on target at home against poor opposition. I dont know whether that says more about him or our other forwards, but we should be looking to keep him and add another. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 13:43:58 GMT
Chris Martin is not a George Friend, a Rossiter or a Wilson who have averged less than 22 games a season their whole careers sometimes less. This wasnt a player who had spent last season injured and dropped a league to get fit. Hes a regular 40 game a season marksman who scores goals at a higher level than we have been the whole of his career. It was obvious in the first 3 games he played in that Marquis couldnt continually replicate his form which kept him out of the side to start with and that soon as Martin gained his match fitness he was far and away the better option. This was obvious by around the middle of october. At that point we should have extended his deal to the end of the season and looked to move Marquis on in Jan. Age catches up with everyone, especially when you have not trained properly first months, like Martin said himself. When he was first getting fit, he did have a few set backs, he said that himself. At 35, the majority would struggle to get fit, without picking up any injuries. So stating what he did previously, with a pre season behind him is irrelevant. There comes a time, when everyone's body starts playing up. Point taken. But as you know, the body is a marvel at muscle and endurance memory and it doesnt take long to reshape that after just 6-8 weeks out especially if some intermediary training has been done to keep it ticking over. Other wise when footballers have 6-8 week injuries in October they would need until March to get playing again. Chris Martin wasnt injured, he just didnt play the 5 weeks of pre-season which is now 6 months ago. Some players can cope very well with L1 football at an older age. Wally Walters comes to mind. His footballing brain, step overs and quality of delivery made up for any pace that he had loss. Martin is much the same. His fitness record is impacable and what he lacks in mobility more than makes up for in other qualities which, have proven so far, to still outsmart most L1 defences and will certainly outbattle most in L2, even when hes 3/4 fit. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 24, 2024 15:12:42 GMT
Age catches up with everyone, especially when you have not trained properly first months, like Martin said himself. When he was first getting fit, he did have a few set backs, he said that himself. At 35, the majority would struggle to get fit, without picking up any injuries. So stating what he did previously, with a pre season behind him is irrelevant. There comes a time, when everyone's body starts playing up. Point taken. But as you know, the body is a marvel at muscle and endurance memory and it doesnt take long to reshape that after just 6-8 weeks out especially if some intermediary training has been done to keep it ticking over. Other wise when footballers have 6-8 week injuries in October they would need until March to get playing again. Chris Martin wasnt injured, he just didnt play the 5 weeks of pre-season which is now 6 months ago. Some players can cope very well with L1 football at an older age. Wally Walters comes to mind. His footballing brain, step overs and quality of delivery made up for any pace that he had loss. Martin is much the same. His fitness record is impacable and what he lacks in mobility more than makes up for in other qualities which, have proven so far, to still outsmart most L1 defences and will certainly outbattle most in L2, even when hes 3/4 fit. It was still a gamble at his age. 6 months was about right to start when IMO, we probably thought it would be easy to extend and at the time might have still be interested in JCH. With hindsight, everyone will say we should have gave him a one year deal straight away. If he didn't do as well lately, it would have been easier to extend the deal 😂. |
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Post by RD on Jan 24, 2024 15:21:09 GMT
How has this not been announced yet - it's not happening is it?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 24, 2024 15:22:52 GMT
Not a comment on the current situation as that sounds like there are other issues in play, however at the time only having a short term deal made sense to all parties and I recall few argued for more at the time.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 24, 2024 15:22:52 GMT
How has this not been announced yet - it's not happening is it? Yup, everyone seems to think its a done deal but no announcement, which if it was you would have thought they'd be dying to release the news after numerous defeats |
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Post by TAGas on Jan 24, 2024 15:26:57 GMT
How has this not been announced yet - it's not happening is it? If it's not happening and we don't bring any new signings in. We are in deep sh1t |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 15:55:19 GMT
Remember on deadline day / night / morning we all waited for JCH confirmation… jeez that was an anti climax!
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jan 24, 2024 16:09:55 GMT
One thing I've noticed in this division the best strikers are the most experienced, from what I've seen Rhodes is the best forward head and shoulders above, Collins at Derby another example. Personally think that Martin will gaurentee at least 10 goals a season for the next season at least. There is no reason why we can bring another forward in as well? For me we should be getting him on board for at least 18 months, no reason why we can't put a goals bonus and another year option in the deal?
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