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Post by warehamgas on Sept 26, 2023 10:54:33 GMT
Interesting question, obviously short term positive but shows a false picture. We start new projects every season due to it and it begs the question why have our own youth teams if we do not use them Yes, it’s a fair point about not using our own youth. Part of the reason must be the enormous gap between youth team and League 1. It’s why we send them out on loan to the upper levels of non league. Isn’t it? Without the development team now to bridge that gap between youth team and League 1 it makes it very hard for younger players. Given that, I hope that Jed Ward, Ryan Jones and Greenslade get chances in our first team as they seem to be the standouts of the younger players. But I don’t think there’s any question that our loans now are a class above what we’ve had before, generally. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 26, 2023 8:32:26 GMT
It’s a benefit to us of course for all the reasons above. All teams have them and to not have them would be a distinct disadvantage. And tbf to JB he has managed to get decent loans and the parent clubs must be very pleased with BRFC as most of those who’ve been here have gone back better players. No real argument is it?
Interesting that there’s no list for season 20/21 although a loan, McCormack, was probably our best player that season.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2023 20:39:36 GMT
I wouldn’t let it bother you. You’re right , I mean DC turned our club around and won back to back promotions and there were a few that still didn’t like him. Coughlan took us to our highest league position in about 20 odd years and half of our fan base seemed to hate him, then he walked out and it was mostly the ones that didn’t like him that were seething that he’d left. That’s people for you. Yep, happens everywhere. Forget about who it is, just concentrate on supporting the club and players esp on match day. It makes it all much easier. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2023 19:47:17 GMT
Played against Wolves yesterday.Badly fouled leading to a red card. Indeed and tbh he was at fault for the Wolves goal. (But I’ll only whisper that!). UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2023 17:51:42 GMT
I sort of agree with you, although this whole "idolising" him in my opinion has gone on long enough. He will be remembered for his part in that run in and final game, but he was never our player nor would be so I think we should admire him for what he's achieving but not swoon over every appearance Think he's our only real connection with Premiership football, at least he's a player we all instantly recognise if we ever watch Premiership football. Tom Lockyer? Now he is very surely one of own. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2023 13:40:57 GMT
No, it's not funny. It's shows that JB haters are 100% Rovers fans. They enjoy a good performance and a 4-1 win just like everyone else. They call it as it is to them that this was the first home win of the season and that the number of home wins in 2023 has been unacceptable. We played well yesterday. I throughly enjoyed the game and how we played. We passed about with it less at the back and got the ball forward far quicker than any other home game this year. I am disappointed in any fan that feels the need to ask where the haters are when we win and ask where the lovers are when we lose. For me, I said let's give him 20 games to make the decision if he has a future with us. Two wins in a row, that feels good right now. We have some tricky games coming up, let's see where we are after those. For me, success after 20 games is looking up, not looking over our shoulders. Within 3 points of the playoffs and I will be happy. I think Steve's point is that those who dislike JB and want him out (a very valid opinion) are very vocal when we lose or don't play well, but largely quiet when we do well, giving him no credit whatsoever.d Yes bluegas, that’s seems a more considered expression rather than a lazy label of ‘Barton-haters.’ 👍 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2023 13:36:37 GMT
JB is our Manager and a bloody good one. I will support him and the team every game. Why do we give him 20 games to make a decision whether he has a future with us? That is pathetic and not a supporter of the team. Why not just enjoy the ride and give him 46 games.He has put together a squad that all round is the best in 20 years at least and during his tenure has cleared out all the rubbish and none of the players he has got rid of would get anywhere near the current squad. A season is 46 games so let’s see where we are come May.To get rid of JB would be an absolute disaster. You may be right about JB. He’s had a great half season in League 2 and a decent enough one last term to avoid any relegation fight. This season he’s collected a decent squad that he’s just about (on the last two games) getting to play together. I’ve only watched two decent matches at Pompey and Charlton live and followed the others electronically and I’ve said on here that he needs to do something about our home form because It’s woeful and most teams have sussed out how to play us to frustrate, waste time and generally stop our decent players. When JB has worked out what to do against these teams we should do better. But we’ve got to get away from the idea that JB cannot be criticised and that those who do are ‘Barton-haters’. It’s nonsense, all are BRFC fans, wanting us to do well but they just have an opinion that may be different from others. Play on the front foot, at a quicker pace (like yesterday and not at a snail’s pace like we did against Wycombe) then there would probably be little to criticise. Won’t always happen but a quicker pace, more attacking use of the players we’ve recruited consistently would be good. Im hoping that because of the difference between Leagues 1 and 2 players like Evans, Finley, Hoole, and others are now beginning to feel more comfortable and able to influence play more in League 1, surrounded by better players. Well done JB and the team yesterday, you’ve set yourselves a standard to maintain, let’s hope they can. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2023 20:38:25 GMT
8234 with 522 Wigan.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2023 20:36:13 GMT
Swansea v Sheffield Wed. 1-0 West Brom v Millwall. 2-1 Blackpool v Reading. 2-0 Gas v Wigan. 2-1 Cambridge v Port Vale. 2-1 Charlton v Wycombe. 1-1 Oxturd v Exeter. 2-1 Harrogate v Salford. 1-2 Stockport v Wrexham. 1-1 Solihull Moors v Bromley. 3-1 Chorley v Scunthorpe. 1-1 Weymouth v Chippenham. 2-1
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2023 18:01:36 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. I've been thinking about your last 2 lines a bit this last week. I don't see any way we will go up this year and I reference Barton's previous interviews for evidence of this. He has talked on several occasions of us following the tracks Bolton and Plymouth set out on their route out of league 2 and upwards. Both the above teams had average first seasons back in league one after promotion. Their second seasons were both very good but fell short. Argyle just missed out on the play offs and I believe Bolton made them last year but didn't get through. 3rd season Argyle won the league. This is boltons 3rd season unless my memory had failed me and I fully expect them to win the league this season or certainly gets autos. Based on that pathway I fully expect us to finish top half this season but believe we may fall short of the play offs. Hope to be proved wrong but that's how I see it and If right I'd fully expect us to challenge next season. That's not to say if in a decent position in jan we shouldn't go hell for leather this year but I just don't see this side as a promotion team at present. It's early days though so il probably change my mind if we win tomorrow 😂 Good post. Sounds about right. With the recruitment in defence and midfield this Summer I think expectations were very high. But yet again, as in 2020, we stopped there and didn’t finish with much in the attack. (I know Brown could be considered a forward but I suspect JB intended more esp with Loft going.) I’ll be happy if we can challenge for a play off placing even if we don’t achieve it. That would represent solid progress over 2/3 years. But I suspect JB isn’t that patient and he won’t be happy with that. But before that happens JB has to transform our home form. It is truly poor and without any improvement we’re likely to be bumbling around nearer the bottom rather than the top. And with the squad that’s been assembled that would be very disappointing. A win tomorrow would be very welcome. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 19, 2023 15:19:58 GMT
According to their manager they dominated, with 36% possession. Totally in control and we scored against the run of play. Oh, and those weak-ass shouts for pens were nailed on and the “perpetrator” should have been sent off. All true but unfortunately all losing managers say something like this. Including our own!! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 18, 2023 14:30:35 GMT
I agree with all this apart from the bit about Keith Brookman. It’s not necessary to insult someone who’s been such a loyal servant to the club for so many years. In what way is his analysis’ embarrassing & which Little Britain character do you have in mind? No, he’s never played professional football but he can at least refer to our past seasons & games as a fan. Sheridan plainly knows nowt about Rovers so it’s reasonable to have someone with in depth know of the team & history of the club alongside her. I’d sooner hear KB than bloody Gary Owers bumbling on & on about the S**t, that’s for sure! Similarly, I’d sooner hear KB than some ex pro who played for us for a couple of seasons, can’t string a sentence together & knows nothing about the history & lore of Rovers! Solid 6 for KB from me. Well said. I thought the same when I read it . It was a nasty, unpleasant thing to say about a great servant to the club. By all means dislike the commentary he does but to get so personal is too much. Only my opinion of course! And the quality of the match day programme hasn’t quite recovered from him not being involved in it. I hope he doesn’t read this place, he doesn’t need to read that stuff. Sometimes you don’t know what you’ve got until you haven’t got it. Be careful what you wish for. UTG
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 16, 2023 20:57:50 GMT
Well done to him. You don’t get picked for the Liverpool team if you’re not decent. It’s a good job for Quansah that Klopp has a different opinion to many on here! 😉
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 16, 2023 14:02:14 GMT
Need 3 points, couldn’t give a damn about the rest 🙃 Yeah give me direct attacking football and 3 points over tika taka 70 % possession and let’s get this season up and running. Was tempted to watch Pompey on I follow today as they’re my Dads team and he passed away last night after a long illness but I’m going to watch the Gas and keep an eye on the score from the baseball ground as he still called it. Up The Gas and Play up Pompey. Sorry to hear your sad news socrates. No consolation of course but it’s good he must have enjoyed the PL years and the cup finals and win. Sounds like some good memories for you. Hope all goes well in the next few weeks sorting stuff out. Something like that always puts football into perspective but let’s hope for a couple of positive results today. And of course when fans get excited about possession you need to ask the question where was that possession and I fear most of ours is passing between the back 3/4 and into midfield and back again. Not too effective or exciting, get goals and results and that possession is important but not on its own. Have as good a week as you and your family can. 👍 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2023 19:20:46 GMT
6111 with 761 gas
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 15, 2023 19:19:08 GMT
Man Utd v Brighton. 1-1 P N E v Plymouth. 1-0 Q P R v Sunderland. 1-2 Derby v Portsmouth. 2-1 Shrewsbury v Gas. 1-1 Newport v Barrow. 2-1 Swindon v Walsall. 3-1 Fylde v Eastleigh. 1-1 Aldershot v Gateshead. 1-1 Bromley v Oldham. 1-1 Rochdale v Barnet. 1-2 York v Southend. 1-2
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 13, 2023 19:16:42 GMT
I’ve had a lot of sympathy for Maguire and his poor treatment in the past year or so but he’s done himself no favours by staying at Man U. He was, and still could be, a very good player for club and country if he’d signed for West Ham but instead put money ahead of career. Southgate keeps compounding things by picking him and setting him up for abuse. Southgate seems intent on playing players that hardly feature for their club, Phillips being another one. Then there is Jordan Henderson playing in a camel league, albeit a rich one. When it comes to the crunch games against quality sides are these players going to be ready to compete to the best of their ability? Yes I get that and looking at club form I’d agree with you. But I think Southgate has gone for a ‘club England’ model and the loyalty he shows may well be repaid. I get all the concerns about Maguire esp in one on one situations but feel that perhaps Southgate sees the sum of the parts are greater than the individuals. He’s almost creating a kind of bunker mentality in the squad that all the players sign into. I hope I’m not wrong when we play the better teams in Europe later on! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 12, 2023 12:51:09 GMT
Bournemouth is interesting ,yet they now have a wealthy US owner prepared to stick his hand in his pocket , plus they have been elevated to Prem level
pretty much due to Eddie Howes brilliant managment ( 2015 ) . The prob with the Mem is do we want to go down the temp stand thing or put in perm structures that
require a lot of finance ,something I'm not sure the hierachy can stump up.
You are assuming that our owners don't have the wealth but have also forgotten that the new owner of Bournemouth got involved because they were in the Premier League . Things change when you get to Shangri La. If Rovers ever get to the Premiership you would suddenly find that suitors come calling and that opportunities for new stadiums would grow out of the woodwork. Life would be easier than they are at this transition stage Yes, pretty much it. Spent Max Denim’s money to get there in one season. Had they failed that season they would have been in trouble. They would not have been able to maintain that level of spending. EH was/is a very special manager who was able to play a team in the PL with 8/9 players who had been in their League 1 winning team on several occasions. But for the club they gambled in 14/15 spent and got fined £4.75m (?) for breaking the rules but of course that paled into insignificance compared to theriches of the PL. Now Foley is spending because of the wealth of the PL. But, long-standing fans are asking what is the legacy of these PL- years apart from big teams on matchdays. Stadium is still relatively poor, training ground is improved but most have that now. And with crowds of 10,500 it’s hard to build a fan base who won’t disappear if the hard times come again. AFC Bournemouth are more attractive due to their PL status which is huge. But going to AFCB most matchdays there are similarities. Believe it or not! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2023 16:47:34 GMT
Exeter v Orient. 3-0 Stevenage v Carlisle. 1-0 Accrington v Mansfield. 0-0 Wimbledon v Stockport. 1-1 Colchester v Tranmere. 2-1 AFC Fylde v Aldershot. 1-1 Woking v Solihull Moors. 0-1 York v Boreham Wood. 1-1 Alfreton v Boston. 1-1 Banbury v Warrington. 1-1 Bishop Stortford v Darlo. 2-0 Gloucester v Farsley Celtic. 1-1
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2023 16:43:29 GMT
As well as the ‘few decent seasons at Oxford’ he had several very good seasons at MKD. I agree westfield, a decent manager at this level as the stats show. And of course what we should learn is that for managers and players, previous performance is never an indicator of future success or failure. We of all people should know that. I think Karl R is similar to JB, he divides opinion and I’d never use the Oxford fans as a true indicator of what someone is like. Istr they had a pretty low opinion of Chris Wilder!! UTG! Granted, he did have a pretty good record at MKD, never managed a full season at Charlton, and this posting on the Oxford forum below, sums up his record there, a couple of decent seasons! Wouldn't want him here, there are better managers out there Whilst I don't think this debate will stop by p86 of this thread, the best I can describe KR's time here is a bell curve. Starting from a low base point, we saw struggles turn to gradual improvement from 2018-19, a peak of achievements by making a play-off final in 2019-20, a plateau-to-decline in 2020-21, a further decline 2021-22 and then implosion to liquidation in 2022-23. It follows a bell curve perfectly and where you regard him as 'achieving' something depends on your stopping point. If he'd departed after the Wycombe playoff final, he may have been viewed more favourably. It was weird circumstances that saw us there and we were never ahead in any of the three playoff matches we played so it's hard to judge that 'achievement' overall. Judge him by the train wreck he left here when he was thankfully relieved of his duties (and let's face it, most of us wanted that a lot sooner - before Christmas 2022 and some would argue after his disastrous summer window) and it's not pretty reading. The good times were very much soured by the bad and for all the excitement of the new signings, I still don't expect much from us this season. We have passengers, crocks and bang average players picking up hefty wages on long contracts. It'll take time to shift them such was the panic to make signings for the first eight months of 2022. Fair enough, your opinion. But as I said ‘previous performance is never an indication of future success……’ And to use fans forums as a measure!!! UTG!
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