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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 18:57:51 GMT
I'm sure you just said the players were good enough though, just not trying enough. Apologies if that wasn't you. If that is the case then the players need to take some responsibility for their performances and attitude. Taylor only has so many players to include in a squad and some of the individual performances were poor, again. Are you really suggesting we should change manager, at this point, again ? Last point first. No I am not suggesting that. Taylor needs time to shape a squad and put his mark on it. He also needs reassurance that he has that time. Yeah, I agree that players should take responsibility. However, we have a manager with a whip on the sideline plus coaches. They get paid to organise, instruct and motivate. What are we witnessing? Even genuinely poor players should play to 100% effort with a semblance of organisation and motivation. Or no? We've had 3 managers in a short space of time, all 3 have managed some decent performances and some awful performances. The common factor is the players. It's the same issue again but without Collins to provide assists.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 18:46:07 GMT
I think we'll probably be alright to stay up, just. We should pick up enough points away from home as we seem more comfortable when teams come at us rather than vice versa. Still too early to judge the manager (and owners) for me but I know others disagree I agree about staying up, but disagree about making judgments. He's had enough games now regardless of playing staff available, for people to see what he is trying to do. Managers have styles or preferred ways to do things. They also have an effect on players conduct. So far, it is not clear what he is trying to do, there is no style, and sadly looks like he is not motivating the players. We played possession football before, high press out of possession. It wasn't overly successful in lg1 but it was clear what we were doing. Now, God knows?! I'm sure you just said the players were good enough though, just not trying enough. Apologies if that wasn't you. If that is the case then the players need to take some responsibility for their performances and attitude. Taylor only has so many players to include in a squad and some of the individual performances were poor, again. Are you really suggesting we should change manager, at this point, again ?
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 18:29:59 GMT
I think we'll probably be alright to stay up, just. We should pick up enough points away from home as we seem more comfortable when teams come at us rather than vice versa. Still too early to judge the manager (and owners) for me but I know others disagree
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 10:26:08 GMT
It depends what you find offensive, but there is pretty universal agreement that songs about black people or Jews are now considered offensive. And indeed a song about dislike of German people would be too. So why is a song that calls out dislike of an Irish republican group we (the UK) have been at peace with for over 25 years still ok if indeed it ever was at a football match? At best it’s childish, naive and irrelevant to our world today. I believe fans of other clubs used to sing similar, think we may be a dying minority for good reason. Time it was put to bed Racism and anti-Semitism isn't just considered offensive, it will get you banned from grounds and so it should. The song is outdated and ignorant, but what can the club do about it ? You can't eject people for being ignorant bores. If enough fans object to it, calling out those that sing it might work but could also create trouble in the Thatchers. It's not a problem unique to Rovers, other fans sing it still too but also have bigger issues with racism and anti-Semitism not to mention other grim songs related to tragedies.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 10, 2024 9:45:42 GMT
I don't find it offensive as such, it's more a feeling of embarrassment on behalf of those who have no idea what it represents when they sing it. I would rather it wasn't sung, and wouldn't want it to be associated with Rovers, but I can't see on what grounds it could be banned.
It's probably best ignored, causing a stink about it will just drag it into a political rabbit hole on here and those that sing it will probably sing it louder if they know it's contentious.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 9, 2024 21:45:22 GMT
Well it's refreshing it not being ALL about the personality, that's for sure. Being able to manage and motivate isn't all about charisma, there's plenty out there who are just odd people who know about football. If the players respect him, and he knows what he's doing, we'll be a lot better off as a club than where we were heading. The fact it sounds like most of the players aren't bothering to turn up for training after a match brings into question those two points. I don't believe that for a minute. Even if that applies to one or two players then it doesn't seem like Taylor would hesitate in getting them gone
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 9, 2024 21:24:15 GMT
Cheers. I saw the talk of Bradford but not FGR, that's desperate. The bloke's finished in football and I agree he's unwell, it's a very good job he was sacked before his mental state deteriorated to the point it has been since. Taylor doesn't particularly excite me but I feel a lot more comfortable and reassured with him as manager, hopefully he grows into the job and we see more of his personality From those in the game, he's got no personality Well it's refreshing it not being ALL about the personality, that's for sure. Being able to manage and motivate isn't all about charisma, there's plenty out there who are just odd people who know about football. If the players respect him, and he knows what he's doing, we'll be a lot better off as a club than where we were heading.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 9, 2024 20:57:54 GMT
Barton applied for jobs at Forest Green and Bradford ? Yes, know one of the programme editors at these clubs. I’ve shown my knowledge of the game on deadline day, I could say so much more about his behaviour whilst manager of our club, so much more. 3 match ban start of season, kicked the refs door in, poor bloke was shaken badly by this. Stevenage game, his last, stormed in the changing room at HT for 1 minute, went absolutely mental at the players and said if they don’t sort it, he’s was resigning. Dragged the whole management team out with him, Wilson injured took the team talk. You wonder why he was sacked?!?! He was having a breakdown, 45 mins later who was publicly destroying the opposition manager by calling him a fat weeble. 2 weeks before he was calling Luke Thomas an idiot on the radio, if SteveK is convinced that’s fine but it’s a bit like saying Liz Truss was going to turn it around! Cheers. I saw the talk of Bradford but not FGR, that's desperate. The bloke's finished in football and I agree he's unwell, it's a very good job he was sacked before his mental state deteriorated to the point it has been since. Taylor doesn't particularly excite me but I feel a lot more comfortable and reassured with him as manager, hopefully he grows into the job and we see more of his personality
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 9, 2024 19:48:55 GMT
We will soon know the budget at the end of the season, but what I will say is, Barton never did a DC and complained his. Let’s also be frank here, one man built the expectation of this season, one man said at the end of the season you need a £4.5 million budget and 3 months later he was saying promotion was on the agenda………does this sound like a man who was working to a insufficient budget? I rest my case. Fausty, I’m happy for any manager to talk about a player in a way to get a reaction or motivation, I don’t see how calling someone and idiot and scolding Trev Clarke does this……… I would hope under Matt Taylor’s leadership, a player like Belshaw does not need to seek professional help for mental health. I listened to a Tareiq Holmes-Dennis podcast recently, he openly said Cogs made him train because players like Kelly were vying for his position but needed to protect his knee. I thought, dark ages thinking and a reason he is managing in Div2 and there is a reason Barton is unemployed, failed interviews at Bradford and FGR. A reason why Edwards is now in the Prem and MT with us in Div1, all promoted together, one never trusted to get a new job at Watford and Rotherham, he’s a crap manager, that’s why. Barton applied for jobs at Forest Green and Bradford ?
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 9, 2024 8:58:10 GMT
luton and brentford and bounmouth have done well but what you all forget is they have also come from behind you to.we won your league at a canter under cotts.its not about who is bigger than who,the point i was trying to make is we were about the same dap in the 80s but you have stayed put not just on the pitch but off it.yes are rosy owner has played his part and yes built a great ground and the fans came and over the years we have gone from 8000 to over 20000+ but you are the ones still getting the same support as you did in the 80s.you cant even fill the new stand now.now that is stagnant. 82 is just a plastic club with no history or identity, which is probably why you're trying to associate with us here. I'd still far rather be us than that, and when the tables turn again (they will do), try not to riot or burn down our stadium.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 8, 2024 19:17:18 GMT
Ah, this is the thread where we're told not to celebrate the shy teds misfortunes, because they're miiiiles ahead of us 'on and off the pitch'. Some people even seem to revel in saying that. And some people are even suggesting we should feel sorry for them for missing out on Man U ? Whatever next, a shy ted on here asking for us to admit to their superiority?
I hope they liquidate, and the rosy faced arrogant so and so goes bankrupt.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 23:37:32 GMT
Ward looked just as bad as Cox last night, we need what every other L1 team as, an experienced No 1 with Ward pushing him all season for the No 1 jersey. What deadwood as MT culled, not one player as left apart from the likes of Gibbons who were also going to leave this summer anyway. What did Ward do wrong last night? No blame for the first goal, the second goal Stockley had a free header. The only thing I'd say about the second goal is that the cross was met my Stockley about 5 yrds from goal, you'd possibly expect the keeper to catch or punch that
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 22:33:59 GMT
Anyone else feel a little sorry for them tonight? Nope
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 22:27:58 GMT
Sam Bell(end) misses in the penalty shoot out. Come on the Forest! Teds out
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 19:30:42 GMT
Not sure about Thomas, maybe there's a slight injury concern or something else we don't know about. As for getting worse in games, maybe we get found out a bit. We were poor 1st half then even worse 2nd. Fleetwood would have known how to beat us at half time and that would have been to keep doing what they were doing, getting men around the ball, pressing as a team in certain areas and winning their individual battles. Once they'd scored it was effectively game over as we hardly troubled them. A few goalmouth scrambles in the 1st half and a missed chance (which probably lost us the game). We wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now. Not sure we were that poor in the first half, the goalie got lucky with Martin's shot after a good move and with LT's shot he palmed around the post, we probably had a coupe of other chances, in the second had only Marquis had a chance and CM did nothing apart from pick up two needless yellows. LT played virtually all the match so it seems unlikely he had a slight injury. Yeah, maybe not as bad as I remember. There were a few moments but we went in 1 nil down after conceding a poor goal against a fairly average (although organised and hard working) Fleetwood Town
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
Players have to carry some of the can for that performance too, mind. I might be well off the mark, but Wilson looked culpable for both goals to me and seemed quick to remonstrate with others after them. The substitutions did look odd, but without being arsed to analyse the before and after I just assumed it was a change of shape, not just replacing forwards with defenders. I've seen us chasing games under previous managers who end up with 6 forwards on the pitch to no avail too. I suppose I'm defending Taylor a bit here, but the tools at his disposal last night were lacking CT, GW and SF. I do think starting Vaughan was a mistake in those conditions against those opponents though. As for playing BA further up, I doubt it would have worked any better. He'd have been suffocated and bullied. I presume the idea was for him to get more time on the ball playing deeper, with Conteh cleaning up and feeding him. Ultimately, we were out fought and out thought, but some of the more experienced players let us down as they were either not completely fit or up for it enough I can't understand why MT rested LT, surely we needed to bag the 3 pts on offer last night rather than worry about Saturday, a win last night with Stevenage also losing would have kept the momentum going, now the season looks over once we get to 50 pts. Playing both Vaughan and BA seemed an odd move against such a physical side particularly given the conditions. What I can't understand is what happens after half time in virtually every game, as we go in at half time either winning or at least matching the opposition, then seem to get totally outplayed in the second half and fail to make any clear cut chances, even at Exeter we had to rely upon Ward making saves to win the game. Not sure about Thomas, maybe there's a slight injury concern or something else we don't know about. As for getting worse in games, maybe we get found out a bit. We were poor 1st half then even worse 2nd. Fleetwood would have known how to beat us at half time and that would have been to keep doing what they were doing, getting men around the ball, pressing as a team in certain areas and winning their individual battles. Once they'd scored it was effectively game over as we hardly troubled them. A few goalmouth scrambles in the 1st half and a missed chance (which probably lost us the game). We wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 16:53:31 GMT
Players have to carry some of the can for that performance too, mind. I might be well off the mark, but Wilson looked culpable for both goals to me and seemed quick to remonstrate with others after them.
The substitutions did look odd, but without being arsed to analyse the before and after I just assumed it was a change of shape, not just replacing forwards with defenders. I've seen us chasing games under previous managers who end up with 6 forwards on the pitch to no avail too.
I suppose I'm defending Taylor a bit here, but the tools at his disposal last night were lacking CT, GW and SF. I do think starting Vaughan was a mistake in those conditions against those opponents though.
As for playing BA further up, I doubt it would have worked any better. He'd have been suffocated and bullied. I presume the idea was for him to get more time on the ball playing deeper, with Conteh cleaning up and feeding him.
Ultimately, we were out fought and out thought, but some of the more experienced players let us down as they were either not completely fit or up for it enough
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 6, 2024 22:22:17 GMT
It called for simple football tonight, we gave possession away repeatedly by trying to be too clever. Not enough options for players on the ball and Fleetwood suffocated us when we tried to spread it. Their number 5 bossed the midfield and too many of ours had poor games. I agree we missed Finley
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 6, 2024 21:08:17 GMT
Aguilara needs to keep hold of the ball, needs better options.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 6, 2024 21:01:38 GMT
I think that was Wilson's man, might be wrong. Ward should have probably been closer though too
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