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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 9, 2020 8:51:33 GMT
People really think dumping the manager having not played a single league game is the solution - you have to give him 10 league games minimum. If things have not improved by then, yes we need to consider what we do next. Bottom line is we have a hard start, lets hope those at the club have a bit more strength of character than some of our fans, as many supporters seem to have given up before we have even started. Why does it always have to be a problem with the fans? It’s not us that are picking, coaching and playing the teams, or deciding strategies, formations, systems, philosophies, etc. Most modern managers and players won’t normally stay with the same club for more than a few seasons, but us, well we’re here for life. We invest and commit our spare time, our passion, our emotions, our hard-earned cash, into the club and so naturally we are concerned when things don’t appear to be going right. Stop blaming the fans - we’re not fickle moaners or haters or whatever bullshit label you want to apply. He’s had 20 games, got his own players in, instituted his own system, and I can’t for the life of me see any improvement over last seasons dismal showing. I don’t want him to fail. I want to be proved very very wrong. I want us to succeed. But I’m just not convinced he’s up to the job. Getting behind the team is one thing (And I do every time we play), but I’ve been following Rovers for far too long to have the kind of blind faith and boundless optimism that some people on here seem to possess (suffer from?). That doesn’t make me any less of a Gashead.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 21:37:33 GMT
Ha. And we reckon the teds are fickle! 12 months ago, yeah fair enough, when the knives were out for GC when it was early days in a new season after he'd went on a run which in his own mini league table would have seen us battling for automatic promotion, and we'd had the odd dodgy result against Wycombe (ahem!). But now, Garner has form... terrible form. LDLDLLLLDLLLDWLLLWLL
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 21:28:49 GMT
That’s got bugger all to do with Garner - that’s down to Wael How do you know BG hasn't been pushing for the training ground and convinced Wael to progress with the investment? You know what? You’re probably right. All the good things are down to Garner (hallowed be his name) pushing our multi-millionaire owner to spend his money and clear our debts. The sh**e performances so far are clearly nothing to do with the 1st Team Manager and are obviously the fault of someone else. Probably the Russians. Or Trump. Or Boris. Of all of the above. But definitely NOT Saint Ben. FFS.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 21:22:00 GMT
It doesn’t matter whether it’s a “Mickey Mouse” competition or the League, they should be ready - no bullshit excuses, no evasive interviews, no attempts to distract attention from the root cause of the problem. And there Is a problem. We are going to play bloody Sunderland away on Saturday she. Our league campaign kicks off for real - can any of you GDL lot honestly tell me that you think we’ve got a chance? I wouldn’t necessarily expect to win there but at the very least - the absolute very least - I would expect us to go there and give them a game, if nothing else. They won their game 8-0 tonight - what do you think they’re going to do to us on Saturday? I don’t dislike or hate Garner as a person - I don’t know the bloke. But I do hate what’s happened to my club - OUR club - since he’s been “in charge”. Does that include the training ground? Clearance of debts? Plus a few weeks ago, everyone was raving about the signings made, now two games in they suddenly aren't good enough?!? I didn’t say the signings weren’t good enough - I’m saying that Garner’s attempts at being a League Manager aren’t good enough
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 21:20:25 GMT
It doesn’t matter whether it’s a “Mickey Mouse” competition or the League, they should be ready - no bullshit excuses, no evasive interviews, no attempts to distract attention from the root cause of the problem. And there Is a problem. We are going to play bloody Sunderland away on Saturday she. Our league campaign kicks off for real - can any of you GDL lot honestly tell me that you think we’ve got a chance? I wouldn’t necessarily expect to win there but at the very least - the absolute very least - I would expect us to go there and give them a game, if nothing else. They won their game 8-0 tonight - what do you think they’re going to do to us on Saturday? I don’t dislike or hate Garner as a person - I don’t know the bloke. But I do hate what’s happened to my club - OUR club - since he’s been “in charge”. Does that include the training ground? Clearance of debts? That’s got bugger all to do with Garner - that’s down to Wael
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 21:17:07 GMT
...because we missed out on a bonus point in the tinpot trophy. Wow. Just, wow. That's the latest excuse is it? It doesn’t matter whether it’s a “Mickey Mouse” competition or the League, they should be ready - no bullshit excuses, no evasive interviews, no attempts to distract attention from the root cause of the problem. And there Is a problem. We are going to play bloody Sunderland away on Saturday. Our league campaign kicks off for real - can any of you GDL lot honestly tell me that you think we’ve got a chance? I wouldn’t necessarily expect to win there but at the very least - the absolute very least - I would expect us to go there and give them a game, if nothing else. They won their game 8-0 tonight - what do you think they’re going to do to us on Saturday? I don’t dislike or hate Garner as a person - I don’t know the bloke. But I do hate what’s happened to my club - OUR club - since he’s been “in charge”.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 19:03:06 GMT
Get in, Baby Boris!
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 8, 2020 17:17:33 GMT
Breaking news BG is on Countryfile too with the amount of b s he's spouted so far. Maybe he’s trying to grow us a couple of strikers in the BS . . .?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 7, 2020 20:38:04 GMT
So here’s the thing . . . For whatever reason, if you don’t happen to agree with the GDL (Garner Defence League) then that apparently means you want him to fail. And by association, the team and the club to fail also. How can I put this so it reaches even the profoundly hard of understanding ?
NOBODY WANTS GARNER TO FAIL! NOBODY WANTS THE TEAM TO FAIL! NOBODY WANTS THE CLUB TO FAIL! WE ARE ALL GASHEADS AND WE WANT THE BEST FOR OUR CLUB!
I would like nothing better than to see Rovers to play fast, exciting, pretty, free-flowing, attacking football, and for Garner to prove all the critics wrong. That would be Dam awesome! However, I and lots of others are very concerned at his apparent lack of progress from last seasons sh** show and nothing I’ve seen yet is convincing me that this turn-around will actually happen. So stop trying to make those of us who are worried look & sound like we’re just hating on Garner. We’re not. We just want our club to succeed. UTG
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 7, 2020 20:04:41 GMT
To answer the OP he’s got several games imo. If we are in bottom 4 after 10 games he should be nervous. It we’re around mid table he will have turned around our form somewhat with a few wins and should be safe for a few months. Anything better and he’ll see the season out at least. Our squad is at least mid table but the lack of a striker has left us unbalanced and pretty toothless in attack and led to us being so pressurised on Saturday. It was easy for Ipswich. I’m sure the JCH sale would have been a board decision so it’s not totally BGs fault that we don’t have any goals. But football is all about results and if he doesn’t get them he will be sacked. UTG! If we’re In the bottom 4 after 10 league games then he should be unemployed, never mind Dam nervous . . !
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 7, 2020 11:55:58 GMT
I dont think it is changing the narrative at all. But theres a real element of stupidity from fans calling for his head now. Were literally just starting a season. Weve got a plan and that plan is lead by Ben and his structure. Yes, there was a case to get rid during lockdown but we didnt. Therefore we chose this plan, signed players around it and are committed. I'd suggest (baring dreadful results) 12 games would be the normal hallmark of reflection. I'm not sure that's unreasonable? But no doubt you wanna make out that I dont think last season counts... i think its others with the narrative they wish to write. The poster obviously wasn't at Southend! Nothing that was important at that match has changed since then. Also nothing tangible in the post apart from an arbitrary 12 (open for debate exactly how many) matches, but I can't see one post yet in agreement that BG playing no strikers is a fabulously revolutionary idea? Give BG time or matches? He's had time and matches. Over 12, actually. And already a transfer window. The stupidity lies in trying something over and over again and it still not working, then trying it again by giving it more time (?). I do believe that’s the accepted definition of insanity (or even inanity, depending on how you feel about Garner’s post-match Interviews)
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 22:49:56 GMT
Truly he is the Kwisatz Haderach . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 21:11:14 GMT
I don’t think anyone wants Garner to fail, as they would mean our team is failing; but people are quite rightly concerned because of what‘S happened since he took over. Maybe its not you who wants him to fail which is good. But the tone of some posts saying 'he's not one of us' etc suggests to me that some people just don't like him as a person. Of course we all want to see Rovers win games and we are disappointed when we don't. But us oldies have lowered our expectations long ago and personally I like this new style of football and am looking forward to seeing it develop with the new players - and it will! Fair enough - you’re entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine - I really hope I get proved wrong and we have a really good season and go on to bigger & better things . . . But although I agree with the direction that Wael seems to want to take the club in, I’m not convinced Garner is the man to do it. And by the way, I’m 57 so pretty much an “oldie” myself - used to walk to Eastville every home game from Staple Hill . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 19:31:28 GMT
The really sad thing is that some on here seem to want BG to fail. There seems to be a nostalgia for the football under GC which is hilarious given how many people on here said they would stop attending matches until he was replaced. DC was seen as a hero/legend/'one of us' because he got two promotions - but he started poorly and was found out in League 1. I would gently suggest that BG is going nowhere and that we should all be patient and support him as the new signings settle in. Threads like this after one match say more about the fans than the manager! I don’t think anyone wants Garner to fail, as they would mean our team is failing; but people are quite rightly concerned because of what‘S happened since he took over.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 19:22:39 GMT
It's a new change in philosophy and direction. You can clearly see that in the players we have brought in, and the system and Football we are trying to play. BG has only had a short time, when you consider the season was cut short, and we haven't even played a league game this season yet. Having a complete overhaul like this, is going to take time. I hope we stick with it, with no knee jerk reactions. It seems to be a never ending cycle of doom, it's vitriol against the manager whether we win or lose. Football has a nasty habit of proving the "Be careful what you wish for" quote to be accurate. I’m usually in support of the manager regardless but even without his own players he should have done a whole lot better that 17 games and 2 wins. We can’t just ignore that fact because it’s a new season and he’s signed 7 or 8 of his own players. If he had won 5 or 6 of those games and drew a couple more then it wouldn’t even be a question we keep BG until Xmas if we are having this conversation at all. Basically, Ben needs to stop talking a good game and start winning some. Good post - I am not a “happy-clapper” or a “blue-tinter”, but neither am I a “(insert manager’s name here) Out!” kind of chap, but whichever way you spin it, the fact remains that Garner took over a team sitting 4th in the league, promised not to change anything, promptly tried to change everything, and oversaw the ensuing nose-dive to the nether reaches of League 1. It’s not just a case of giving him a few games to get everything settled, is it? He’s had 20 games already and I don’t see any improvement on what happened before lockdown to be honest. Some of the sideways passing is a bit prettier, sure, but what else is there? And as for the “well it’s only the Carabao Cup, it doesn’t mean anything . . .” trip, we have to play Ipshit twice more in the League yet, so there’s already 6 points we probably aren’t gonna get . . . This is not the usual pre-season jitters you get with a new manager and/or team, he has a proven record - of failure. Thats why people are reacting the way they are . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 16:05:05 GMT
We will be challenging playoffs this season. We Dam won’t, not on what we’ve seen so far . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 0:13:51 GMT
Yeah I'd agree, surely he knows that the difference between Ipswich and us was more than just a few misses on our part, they were a lot better than us today. Can't blame him from protecting his players but was expecting him to at least admit we were very poor. That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... This . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 24, 2020 15:35:53 GMT
I don’t know why this seems to be so hard for people to grasp. Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. This . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 23, 2020 17:27:12 GMT
The thread title was probably inappropriate. Seems well past “the jury is out“ stage now and more a case of the executioner getting his gallows ready judging by some posts in the last 24 hours. Yet not a peep following the last two pre seasons matches. This is where we are as a fan base now? The future of managers in doubt, the second our side slip to a friendly defeat. Give me strength. So why is it so difficult to see both sides of the argument? Why can’t people just accept that, on the one hand, there are a lot of fans who are quite excited about the apparent quality of signings so far and optimistic about the coming season and the style of football BG is promising to promote; on the other are a sizeable number of people who are, in their opinion, quite rightly concerned about BG’s ability as a manager, given that he took over the team when we were sitting in 4th place (albeit after playing some pretty ugly football under GC) and masterminded a rapid nose-dive into the bottom half of the League. Both points of view are, I feel, equally valid until we’ve got some way into the new season and both need to be acknowkedged as such. Holding either opinion doesn’t make you any less of a fan. UTG
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 3, 2020 15:58:08 GMT
Your answer,support the Gas whoever’s manager if you are a true Gashead. This virus has stalled football for us lower leagues now let’s start afresh and hope we will all soon be on the terraces supporting BG and the lads.UTG Supporting Rovers doesnt always mean supporting the current manager. It could mean quite the opposite. Indeed - look at the Paul Buckle fiasco . . .
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