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Post by stapletongas on Apr 8, 2024 8:16:24 GMT
If Posh have him, could use him but choose not to, what does that say? I say there's something wrong. maybe when it didn't go through last time we found something we didn't like? Who knows!
So much chat on here about building a top 6 squad and we want to sign a player that can't get into a top 6 squad?
Big no from me.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 8, 2024 8:18:49 GMT
If he fits in with the wage structure why not?
He will score goals given time.
The draught of goals he played under was under Garnerball.
If he was in this squad he’d get them as the problem is putting them in the back of the net not generating chances. We don’t have a problem generating chances our problem is that we squander them.
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Post by supergas on Apr 8, 2024 8:27:50 GMT
P’Boro were certain he was leaving right up to the last minutes of the transfer window and had already made new signings and re-shaped their attack. They weren’t going to just drop all their plans because his transfer collapsed. It’s not like he’s not getting games solely because his form had previously fallen off a cliff - he just doesn’t fit what they are now doing. He’s still plenty good enough to play in any side in this division and be at the top of the scoring charts next season - imo. We can find his stats for the whole season with a bit of searching and a spreadsheet... ...1336 mins in the league (so approx 15 full games). Seven league goals which is one every 191 minutes. Not prolific, not disastrous. Probably not the solution to a team that needs a fit, prolific striker... |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 8, 2024 8:34:49 GMT
P’Boro were certain he was leaving right up to the last minutes of the transfer window and had already made new signings and re-shaped their attack. They weren’t going to just drop all their plans because his transfer collapsed. It’s not like he’s not getting games solely because his form had previously fallen off a cliff - he just doesn’t fit what they are now doing. He’s still plenty good enough to play in any side in this division and be at the top of the scoring charts next season - imo. We can find his stats for the whole season with a bit of searching and a spreadsheet... ...1336 mins in the league (so approx 15 full games). Seven league goals which is one every 191 minutes. Not prolific, not disastrous. Probably not the solution to a team that needs a fit, prolific striker... You forget that Gashead scouting on the whole is "has he played for us and was he good before?". |
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Post by kovy on Apr 8, 2024 8:35:54 GMT
Didn't the Posh owner say the reason he didn't move in January is because he was looking for that last huge payday type contract? I thought he said he wanted like 10-11k per week from Charlton.
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Post by aghast on Apr 8, 2024 8:41:11 GMT
P’Boro were certain he was leaving right up to the last minutes of the transfer window and had already made new signings and re-shaped their attack. They weren’t going to just drop all their plans because his transfer collapsed. It’s not like he’s not getting games solely because his form had previously fallen off a cliff - he just doesn’t fit what they are now doing. He’s still plenty good enough to play in any side in this division and be at the top of the scoring charts next season - imo. We can find his stats for the whole season with a bit of searching and a spreadsheet... ...1336 mins in the league (so approx 15 full games). Seven league goals which is one every 191 minutes. Not prolific, not disastrous. Probably not the solution to a team that needs a fit, prolific striker... That's still equivalent to just over 21 goals per season, despite being pretty much hung out to dry at Peterborough, and he's not even 30 yet. I'm not sure where we would get such a proven goalscorer for nothing (albeit with a chunky wage bill) and he could be just the thing we need for two years to get us a top 6 finish. He might not be ideal nowadays but he's still good and he might actually want to come here. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 8, 2024 8:44:15 GMT
Didn't the Posh owner say the reason he didn't move in January is because he was looking for that last huge payday type contract? I thought he said he wanted like 10-11k per week from Charlton. I would also like that. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 8, 2024 8:51:13 GMT
To be fair JCH only plays 5 mins each match, it's odd he's only brought on when it's too late to do anything. ...which was also part of the point I was making. Why are people convinced we will find our goalscoring Saviour in a player who can't even get into a rival league one team's starting XI? Admittedly he will be well rested having only played more than 45mins once this calendar year, but decent strikers rely on form and fitness and he will have neither in the summer... Not sure what you expect him to do when he's brought on in the 89th minute nearly every game. He scored with 7 minutes on the pitch vs Burton. Our team can't score a goal within 10 hours. Anybody that wouldn't sign JCH if we could sign him on reasonable enough wages is off their head. He would be a great signing for us, a proven L1 striker. Otherwise we are going to take a lucky dip on an unproven striker. For every Matty Taylor or Aaron Collins there are 20 Luke James. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 8, 2024 8:53:58 GMT
If Posh have him, could use him but choose not to, what does that say? I say there's something wrong. maybe when it didn't go through last time we found something we didn't like? Who knows! So much chat on here about building a top 6 squad and we want to sign a player that can't get into a top 6 squad? Big no from me. Posh have a strict wage structure of transfer listing their players within 1 year of their contract. I think the way they would look at it is why keep playing him improving his contract negotiations for him when he leaves in the summer on a free vs playing a player with potential who they know they will have for a longer period and hopefully sell on for a lot of money I.e Toney/Gayle etc. I honestly don't think the posh's main focus is winning promotion etc, they are run more like a sustainable business taking the odd gamble here and there in a player to make a lot of money potentially. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 8, 2024 8:57:04 GMT
Hell yes , we haven’t scored for eight games. Jonson played for the club when the club went ten games without a goal. Bolton 1-1 RoversShould read 10 games without a win, not goals. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 8, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
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Post by supergas on Apr 8, 2024 9:07:07 GMT
...which was also part of the point I was making. Why are people convinced we will find our goalscoring Saviour in a player who can't even get into a rival league one team's starting XI? Admittedly he will be well rested having only played more than 45mins once this calendar year, but decent strikers rely on form and fitness and he will have neither in the summer... Not sure what you expect him to do when he's brought on in the 89th minute nearly every game. He scored with 7 minutes on the pitch vs Burton. Our team can't score a goal within 10 hours. Anybody that wouldn't sign JCH if we could sign him on reasonable enough wages is off their head. He would be a great signing for us, a proven L1 striker. Otherwise we are going to take a lucky dip on an unproven striker. For every Matty Taylor or Aaron Collins there are 20 Luke James. ...it *is* risk vs reward. I was a supporter but never a huge fan of his when he was here before, and that's potentially clouding my judgement, but I also remember reading not all of his teammates were big fans either. So the risk is a huge signing-on fee and/or I assume making him the highest wage earner at the club - not as disruptive as it might be as we are likely to be clearing out a lot of existing players, resetting the dressing room anyway - but if the rumours that he's looking for one last payday are true that doesn't seem to be the mentality we would want in a player. He also takes up a huge part of the budget. So you have to build a team around him as the focal point. Again, not impossible but it will mean compromises elsewhere in the squad. The other risk of course is his lack of form/fitness. As a club we never start seasons well and he's going into the summer break only having played 45 consecutive minutes once so far this calendar year. None of these circumstances are screaming "Great Idea" at me when (if we can find them) we could sign two or three young up and coming strikers for the same wage.... |
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Post by eric on Apr 8, 2024 9:07:45 GMT
We can find his stats for the whole season with a bit of searching and a spreadsheet... ...1336 mins in the league (so approx 15 full games). Seven league goals which is one every 191 minutes. Not prolific, not disastrous. Probably not the solution to a team that needs a fit, prolific striker... You forget that Gashead scouting on the whole is "has he played for us and was he good before?". …..but nothing to do with him being the divisions most prolific scorer over the past 5 years or so and being available on a free transfer 🤔 |
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Post by eric on Apr 8, 2024 9:11:03 GMT
P’Boro were certain he was leaving right up to the last minutes of the transfer window and had already made new signings and re-shaped their attack. They weren’t going to just drop all their plans because his transfer collapsed. It’s not like he’s not getting games solely because his form had previously fallen off a cliff - he just doesn’t fit what they are now doing. He’s still plenty good enough to play in any side in this division and be at the top of the scoring charts next season - imo. We can find his stats for the whole season with a bit of searching and a spreadsheet... ...1336 mins in the league (so approx 15 full games). Seven league goals which is one every 191 minutes. Not prolific, not disastrous. Probably not the solution to a team that needs a fit, prolific striker... I don’t know why he wouldn’t be considered fit when if we sign him on 1st June he would have the same preseason as every other member of the squad. I’d say signing someone who has been the divisions best goal scorer in recent years on a free transfer would be a good solution for a team that needs a prolific striker. |
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Post by eric on Apr 8, 2024 9:16:29 GMT
P’Boro were certain he was leaving right up to the last minutes of the transfer window and had already made new signings and re-shaped their attack. They weren’t going to just drop all their plans because his transfer collapsed. It’s not like he’s not getting games solely because his form had previously fallen off a cliff - he just doesn’t fit what they are now doing. He’s still plenty good enough to play in any side in this division and be at the top of the scoring charts next season - imo. This is correct. But I would like us to follow the new Boro model ( or Plymouth last season) where we have pace and options. Not route one to a JCh or Martin. Happy to have Martin as back up. But shouldn’t be our Plan A imho Can we not build a squad with pace and options without every single player having to have pace? I’m not sure why having a JCH or a Martin as striker means a team has to play route one - I’m sure both of them would prefer to play in a team where they get crosses played into the box or short passes played to feet rather than long back to front balls hoofed in their general direction. If MT is our manager next season he needs to find a way to play further up the pitch - if we continue to play deep it doesn’t matter which type of striker we have as they will still be getting rubbish service from long punts up the pitch. |
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Post by fatherbrown on Apr 8, 2024 9:18:09 GMT
Isn't the currant regime looking to bring in young potentially talented players then potentially sell them on at a profit, I don't think a 29 year moody player fits that bill.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 8, 2024 9:26:07 GMT
You forget that Gashead scouting on the whole is "has he played for us and was he good before?". …..but nothing to do with him being the divisions most prolific scorer over the past 5 years or so and being available on a free transfer 🤔 It's a hell of a lot more to do with the history of the player. His time with us previous, the failed attempt in the summer which the press knew about. The fact it's now in a previous incarnation of the management structure is the big difference. Alfie May was linked last summer and that thread reached 8 pages as opposed to 40+ pages here, 2 pages in this thread and various mentions across other transfer threads. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 8, 2024 9:26:42 GMT
Not sure what you expect him to do when he's brought on in the 89th minute nearly every game. He scored with 7 minutes on the pitch vs Burton. Our team can't score a goal within 10 hours. Anybody that wouldn't sign JCH if we could sign him on reasonable enough wages is off their head. He would be a great signing for us, a proven L1 striker. Otherwise we are going to take a lucky dip on an unproven striker. For every Matty Taylor or Aaron Collins there are 20 Luke James. ...it *is* risk vs reward. I was a supporter but never a huge fan of his when he was here before, and that's potentially clouding my judgement, but I also remember reading not all of his teammates were big fans either. So the risk is a huge signing-on fee and/or I assume making him the highest wage earner at the club - not as disruptive as it might be as we are likely to be clearing out a lot of existing players, resetting the dressing room anyway - but if the rumours that he's looking for one last payday are true that doesn't seem to be the mentality we would want in a player. He also takes up a huge part of the budget. So you have to build a team around him as the focal point. Again, not impossible but it will mean compromises elsewhere in the squad. The other risk of course is his lack of form/fitness. As a club we never start seasons well and he's going into the summer break only having played 45 consecutive minutes once so far this calendar year. None of these circumstances are screaming "Great Idea" at me when (if we can find them) we could sign two or three young up and coming strikers for the same wage.... Do you mean like a James Daly, Timmy Abraham, Gavin Reilly etc. It's all well and good in theory but it's not that easy to go out and sign 2 or 3 players with the potential to reach JCH's standard. We need a good scouting network for one. Strikers usually are on most money at a club anyway. I'm sure if we gave JCH a dedicated training plan we could get him back fit enough. It's not like he has been injured regularly, that would be more of a concern for me. He's obviously been a good professional to carry on for PBoro too. I think MacAnthony actually commented on this earlier on in the season. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 8, 2024 9:26:52 GMT
This is correct. But I would like us to follow the new Boro model ( or Plymouth last season) where we have pace and options. Not route one to a JCh or Martin. Happy to have Martin as back up. But shouldn’t be our Plan A imho Can we not build a squad with pace and options without every single player having to have pace? I’m not sure why having a JCH or a Martin as striker means a team has to play route one - I’m sure both of them would prefer to play in a team where they get crosses played into the box or short passes played to feet rather than long back to front balls hoofed in their general direction. If MT is our manager next season he needs to find a way to play further up the pitch - if we continue to play deep it doesn’t matter which type of striker we have as they will still be getting rubbish service from long punts up the pitch. Quite right, we were promoted in 2007 with one of the slowest front twos in modern history. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 8, 2024 9:36:42 GMT
We don't need JCH and Martin, as both are similar. Both can score goals, but won't stretch the defence and won't get in behind. Both will want a decent wage, so we can't afford to tie up that much of the budget.
So I think it's a choice of one or the other! Then a lot will come down to, how much money each will want etc. I think this could be why we didn't give Martin a 2 year deal straight away. They might be giving the board too much credit though! But for once, it seemed like the Martin contact was in our favor.
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