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Post by oviedista on Jan 19, 2017 11:33:15 GMT
Please be as negative as you feel you need to be. But the recurring suggestion that double promotion winning DC actively doesn't want promotion/ is resigned to mid table. Have a word with yourselves.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 19, 2017 11:14:55 GMT
Just refreshed your mind by going back to the original press announcements the clear indication was the UWE would be built at a cost of circa £40m+ regardless of his families wealth, the clear indication was we were no longer rag bag Rovers, now nearly 12 months we seemingly cant afford an experienced goalie, that says all that needs to be said. As far as waiting for the summer, DC's already had one summer to get a goalie in, why's next summer going to be any different? Seemingly being the operative word. DC works in mysterious ways and the fact we've not signed an experienced keeper doesn't mean the funds aren't there. Clarke has said multiple times that WAQ has never said no to him with regards to recruitment, and there's nothing to suggest that has changed. You're over thinking this. We were "Rag bag Rovers". We had a direct promise that we would no longer be "Rag bag Rovers". That has to mean we can sign who we want when we want and build stadiums where and when we want. Anything less is treachery.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 17, 2017 11:47:53 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. The post doesn't say he doesn't play as a winger - the fact he does is the entire point of the post. It says he is better played elsewhere. Also "he tried his best to avoid the ball...making sure his kit was nice and clean..," contradicts "It's not his fault he isn't good enough". You quite clearly just said it is.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 17, 2017 9:20:33 GMT
Gosling has been part of a squad that, after years and years of the ingrained unprofessionalism that led to relegation, buckled down and worked this club back to league one. He had some good games and some bad games and is surplus to requirements now.
At the relegation match v Mansfield I felt numb because I knew most of the players deserved it, even the talented ones. You could say good riddance to them - but not anyone in this squad.
'You're rubbish and always will be' IS personal and IS ungrateful. It stinks of the 'thanks for getting us here but now we need Championship quality' attitude (unbelievably, even directed by some at DC) that is the only thing I've found depressing about the success we've had over the past two years.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 15, 2017 14:56:58 GMT
What exactly was the response of other fans when Puddy was spat at? Pretty depressing that he was getting verbal abuse as well.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 15, 2017 1:26:05 GMT
Wtf ??!!! It's our non league signings that have taken your team from the non league in to league 1. I've just read your post again and thinking you must be joking right ? Exactly we have a team of non leaguers with a non league manager trying to play2 divisions above themselves so yes they have done wonderful to get us where we are but for us to move forward we own need championship players and a championship manager "Exactly" - so you are joking? Please make your irony clear otherwise I may lose all faith in humanity.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 5, 2017 11:31:53 GMT
Surely the loan system is part of the same problem at the heart of the Checkatrade Trophy debacle. The transfer window was essentially a response to a problem with big club spending - but the lower divisions have to suffer it too. As a result short term loans, as has been pointed out, are a way to insure against squad depletion (for small clubs). But they are a solution to bloated squads with players needing game time for super rich Prem clubs.
So basically it seems like a system working at cross purposes. I'm not that happy with a relationship with Chelsea anyway. Despite their obscene wealth we still had to take them to court for compensation on Scott Sinclair.
The whole league system is a monied mess and that's certainly not DC's fault.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 5, 2017 11:22:39 GMT
Why is every thread on the forum so anti DC recently, is it a true reflection of what Gasheads generally feel or just turned into the Rovers moaners forum? Unless we play the diamond Colket just doesn't fit into our team as he's too weak to play in a midfield two alongside Sincs or OC, but even then he's been poor lately when started, against a poor Bury team he was subbed fairly early and he was next to useless at Shrewsbury. A good player to come on late and snatch/make a late goal but you sense both Colkett and Rovers want more than that, probably a good move for both sides he's been recalled. You sense the experiment with young inexperienced Premiership players hasn't been a success. Topics can be debated without it meaning everyone is against DC. I support him completely, but that doesn't mean I cannot question the rediculous midfield at Charlton and make the conclusion that it was almost handing the 3 points to them. Agreed all should be allowed to criticise. But if you support him why accuse him of "waiving the white flag"? This suggests he wanted to lose/ didn't care. That's beyond criticism of tactics, that's questioning his integrity. It's not the criticism, it's the nature of the criticism that annoys people.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 3, 2017 9:10:58 GMT
My summary of the game and post match comments:
The players brought in were actually just average not terrible - the midfield competed fairly well but we lacked pace on the break. Easter seemed like a 5th (good) midfielder but Gaffney can't cut it up front on his own - so little penetration. Generally we we're very defensive and deep first half but should have gone in 1 up but for the first of three terrible defensive lapses. When the second half goals went in heads dropped a bit and game was over. Charlton were definitely the stronger side and deserved the win - but it should have been closer and could have been a different result.
So to the 'too many changes' thing. Personally I didn't feel cheated as I don't know what out first team is yet anyway. But I do agree DC overplayed the need for a Xmas fixture rotation. What I can't agree with is the 'simple winning formula' idea. Every time we win and play well the is an assumption that we have found the solution. But the same team can be great one week and atrocious the next depending on opposition. DC has the problem that if he changes the team and we lose - that will always be seen as the reason.
Winning formulas need to be built and they evolve - you don't just discover them because you win once. Ultimately we have to take these results because we are playing much more ruthless sides. But you can see the potential even with a game like yesterdays. I remember the days watching us win under Ward with no sign whatsoever of any kind of progressive football. It's frustrating sure - but don't assume DC is ignoring some obvious solution - maybe he is just trying to make sure he gets it right.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 2, 2017 19:17:06 GMT
Is it any wonder that Charlton came on strong to us in the second half? Our midfield played the full 90 minutes and consisted of Moore(28) Lawrence(35) Mansell(34) Sinclair(29) Moore has flair but is inconsistent; Sinclair runs around a lot and is bound to tire as the match goes on. The defence may have made the final errors, but that midfield was just wrong! 4 players over 33 ok. 28 and 29?? Irrelevant. 28 is when players supposedly peak.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 2, 2017 18:57:19 GMT
Oh f off you negative *****!!! Moan Moan bloody moan! So where is the DC that has got us to 10th in league one! Jesus Christ. I apologise to everyone else but negative bullshit like this gets my back up. Has no one ever told you that the moment you swear you lose the argument? I also doubt you would say it to my face. I am entitled to my view, and my view is that DC let all those supporters who went to day down by choosing the wrong players. And goalies? Tell me, without using the f word, because it is slang for sexual intercourse, and I really don't want to with you, but tell me what goalkeeper Clarke has got in that has been classed as good? Remember Mildenhall was not Clarkes player. But it's like being bought a new car and complaining you don't like the colour. Finding the right keeper is hard - many top clubs struggle with huge budgets. The idea he is 'rubbish at buying keepers' is silly. I agree too many/ wrong changes today - you can say that. But there is a bigger picture. It's the ungrateful, unfair and frankly illogical criticism of Clarke that winds people up.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 2, 2017 18:46:48 GMT
Today DC chose Lawrence, who hasn't played a whole game. Mansell has appeared 4 times. Easter and Sinclair not played for 4 games, and it was all Puddys fault. Truth is today was down to DC. No one else. He made the decision to change a winning team, and not for the first time. Personally I'm getting a bit fed up with seeing 5 and 6 changes every game. I believe in a winning team picking itself and the others having to push themselves to get in to that team. What DC believes in ? f**k knows 1. Professionalism and a focus on fitness 2. Prioritising players with commitment and a team spirit 3. Playing the ball on the deck and playing through, not over the midfield. 4. Adapting to the opposition - including player rotation I could go on. You may like or dislike his managerial principles - but after the last two and half seasons you simply can't claim you don't know what they are.
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Post by oviedista on Dec 5, 2016 14:03:27 GMT
He signed most of the current squad. the only players he didn't sign in his time here are Parkes (now gone), Harrison, Mildenhall, McChrystal, Brown, Ollie Clarke and Tom Lockyer off the top of my head Yea can't think of any others either. He generally signs players who are up for it and committed. DC has turned around a long standing, deeply damaging culture of unprofessionalism within the club through a massive effort - a big chunk of which has involved bringing in the right kind of professionals. This is why it's really odd/ unappreciative be concerned about his ability sign players.
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Post by oviedista on Dec 5, 2016 13:04:12 GMT
DC talks the talk but has yet to walk the walk. He says players that aren't good enough will be on their way, and yet he gives everyone another contract if we go up. That is a great motivator in Non League but Division One? So far since we have been in the league Blisset and Parkes have gone along with a few youths, but ask yourself this; why are Mansell; Mc Crystal; Lawrence: Puddy: Mildenhall and Gosling here? They are not going to play for us again, and if they were then yesterday would have been a good chance for them. The truth is we have too many players who are not good enough for this level on a contract, we also in my opinion have players in the team who aren't good enough. So lots of money going on players we don't need / want. Then the squad is too big, and I think this is one of the reasons that he changes the bloody team all the time. You should always play the same defence, but that is a problem for us because they are not very good either. I don't know how many players we will end the season with but we will be miles over our budget that's for sure and that was not the message I got from the Chairman at the beginning of the season. And Finally: do we trust DC in signing players? Well if Moore and Hartley are anything to go by then no I don't. He signed most of the current squad.
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Post by oviedista on Oct 5, 2016 11:15:10 GMT
Why should the players give a rats arse ? The fans don't !
They get paid to give a rats arse, whatever competition they are playing in. Why any fan would think different is beyond me. Are they not trying to secure places for league games?
What about the fans who did pay to turn up, do they deserve to watch players not giving a toss?
No. But much as you would turning up to watch a friendly you get the level of competition relative to the importance of the match. Given the competition is a joke and ticket prices are massively reduced you get what you'd expect. I'd expect the manager to use it to experiment and try things out and not worry massively about the result. The players will care, just not as much and the level of performance won't be on par with a league game. Unlike the competition itself, where Prem teams can essentially do what they like and EFL teams have to tow a strict line, that seems fair.
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Post by oviedista on Oct 4, 2016 20:36:42 GMT
How does Mr Harvey explain how Leicester fielding an ex-Poland international centre half is going to aid the EFL's objective to produce more young talent in this country? And not allowing other teams to field "under strength" sides? Honestly the EFL and Premier League make me so angry I can hardly put it into words on here without typing profanities in large capitals for about 10 pages!! Don't worry I feel much the same. Can you imagine an amateur league operating to rules whereby one set of teams had completely different rights? No one would accept it. I wouldn't play in a cup like that so why watch it?
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Post by oviedista on Sept 27, 2016 21:55:13 GMT
Disagree, played well until he got sent off. "until he got sent off" he's not going to score in the changing room? Are you saying he's more likely to get sent off playing up front?
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Post by oviedista on Sept 27, 2016 9:32:52 GMT
Will not be going and hope no one else does. Losses are the biggest way to speak out against this shambles - perhaps look at giving your money to the club in an alternative stream such as merch. We can't let the EFL thing this rubbish was worth it. In Germany there is a huge hatred towards RB Leipzeg. I won't go into the details as to why. However, Dortmund played there, and the Dortmund fans decided to boycott the game, and instead they went in their thousands to watch the Dortmund Youth team play, therefore ensuring the club got some money via their protest. Great example - and shows there are options which mean you can still show support for your team. The religious approach to 'always turning up to support' is what makes fans so easy to exploit. Newcastle are a case in point.
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Post by oviedista on Sept 27, 2016 9:27:44 GMT
It would be sad to see them leave Twerton as for all its limitations as a league ground it has great charm. The approach from where I used to get off the bus also had a real old fashioned football experience about it - crossing the river and under the railway and seeing the flood lights above. For a City like Bath it felt surprisingly gritty and industrial. I guess development is severely limited.
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Post by oviedista on Sept 23, 2016 14:11:08 GMT
Maybe this will now stop the 'bullying' and nonsense on here about people wanting to attend games or not and allow those who just want to go and support the lads in a game regardless no longer being called scabs etc - just a thought Totally disagree with people being called scabs but if the issue hadn't been raised and the EFL Trophy got solid attendances then this decision may not have been made. It's much like politics - you have a right to vote for whoever you like but don't expect people not to take issue with your choice.
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