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Post by chewbacca on Feb 12, 2021 0:32:29 GMT
Odds have lengthen. 25/1 now. As stated to Garner like. The things I’d say where he is different to Garner is he has worked in the lower leagues and non-league before. Garner had only coached in under age football and higher than us.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 12, 2021 0:03:27 GMT
Was Phil Bater’s assistant at Mangotsfield and helped develop the likes of Ollie Clarke and Andrew Hughes. Very, very good coach who has experience at different levels. That’s as maybe but Garner was a highly rated coach too. We need a manager, not a coach and giving a coach his first manager’s job with 15 or so games to beat relegation would be profoundly ridiculous, even for Rovers. Unless of course the board feel that relegation is an acceptable price to pay in order to re-boot this development of kids model. That really wouldn’t surprise me. I like James, he’s a good bloke and a good coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if the link is something to do with him working with Byron. I wouldn’t go for him personally but he would in my opinion out perform Garner.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 23:47:54 GMT
Did an awful one at Hearts.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 23:40:32 GMT
Was Phil Bater’s assistant at Mangotsfield and helped develop the likes of Ollie Clarke and Andrew Hughes. Very, very good coach who has experience at different levels.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 13:38:53 GMT
I'm also disgusted with the club. It's still six pounds postage?! My 15cm Gas ruler cost £6.99 all in!
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 13:34:48 GMT
If there is one thing the board have proved over the last 12 months it’s that they know less about football than us lot- and that’s saying something. They appointed GC which fans overwhelmingly opposed.Then, after Ipswich, the fans decided that was a good move and now retrospectively like GC. I don’t think fans understand it any more than they do. If fans were in charge the entire club would be staffed entirely by the 89-90 promotion team. I'm not really sure where you got that idea from, it was a complete no-brainer. While Coughlan was Caretaker his record was P5 W3 D1 L1 after a run of 4 straight defeats in the league. It absolutely wasn't "overwhelmingly opposed".
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 13:15:13 GMT
I think individually the players are of the requisite standard for League One, however collectively is a different issue. The imbalance in both attributes and personalities is costing us big time.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 11, 2021 11:26:47 GMT
I wouldn't be against someone who is a younger coach maybe making his first steps in management. I'd hope we learn from the Garner mistake by employing someone with leadership skills and not afraid to give the players a rocket when needed. That's why I've started leaning towards Manse. It would be a largely popular appointment with fans and he's aware of where the club is currently, what the club is about and the issues that surround it. I think backed up by an experienced assistant/coach it could work well.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 16:29:03 GMT
Really? DC spoke out... Gone Coughlan spoke out.... Gone Tisdale spoke out... Gone Wael wants a yes man and I think that's part of the problem. Garner didn't speak out and proved he was sh**.. Gone. Its simple, you do not bite the hand that feeds you. In any line of work, if you speak out against your peers whilst doing a bad job your a goner. Got no time for slagging off the board when it involves a owner who is brilliant. People must learn to separate the financial side of the ownership and the football side of the ownership. He and his boards football decisions have been utterly dire.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 16:04:11 GMT
Tis Was.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 14:15:35 GMT
Call Roy Essandoh.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 13:22:06 GMT
Hey if Coughlan is going to repeatedly called a PE Teacher we may as well call an actual PE Teacher a PE Teacher. Hope you're well, Ben. Neither are PE teachers. Both are professional coaches and managers. Ben Garner is as much a professional coach/manager as he is a PE Teacher. He's not doing either at the moment but has done both in the past.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 12:55:07 GMT
While I largely agree with your post, the issue I have with the board is not the initial appointment of Garner but the doubling down by giving him the summer. In an alternative universe he was rightly binned off after the frankly embarrassing defeat to Southend in March and we have given another manager the chance to rebuild over the summer. Instead we stuck with the former Head of Boys PE, St David's College, South London and have got ourselves into this utter mess. Hahaha might have missed some chunks of his CV out there. Assistant Manager - ATK Assistant Head Coach - West Bromwich Albion Assistant Head Coach - Crystal Palace First Team Coach - Crystal Palace But oh yeah 15 / 20 years ago he worked at a school as well as palace youth team 🤣 Hey if Coughlan is going to repeatedly called a PE Teacher we may as well call an actual PE Teacher a PE Teacher. Hope you're well, Ben.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 12:04:21 GMT
I totally agree the time wasting and feigning injury is just out of control and the refs do nothing about it. The obvious answer is to stop the watch/clock on every halt in play, injury or ball out of play (throw-in, goal kick, free kick, throw in etc) and have the refs watch linked to a clock visible in the stadium (surely cheap and easily achieved these days) and then play (say) two 30 minute halves. I read a while ago that in any 90 minute game the actual 'ball in play' time is as little as 55-60 minutes anyway. This way it wouldn't matter how much time the team wasted as there will always be 60 minutes of actual play. Time wasting would be totally irrelevant then. The only advantage would be for a team to break the rhythm of their opponents by constant stoppages. Or you could still play 45 with a standard 10 seconds per stoppage. I guess the issue there would be teams getting in a corner winning throw in after throw in. You know we're scraping the barrel when we're moaning about IFAB not changing the laws of the game to suit us.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 12:03:21 GMT
It is genuinely astounding that a club in our league position post-Ipswich decided that that was the right moment to completely change the identity of the club from an honest group of battlers, with one or two stars, who punched above their weight to some kind of wannabe post-Premier League 2 finishing school. Enter GarnerBall. We unceremoniously told all the senior players to sling their hooks and happily carved up an entire squad. All of this from a position of strength back in 2019. I know some supporters felt we were in a false position under Coughlan and, to some extent we were, but the facts are that over the twelve months of his tenure his results placed us second in the table. Since the club decided post-Graham to reinvent ourselves under Garner as a stepping stone for younger talent we've won 8 league games in 43. It has been an absolute catastrophe. And look at where we are now. After turning our backs on the unfashionable approach, we're now back to trying to grind out results through regular league one long-ball football, but with a bunch of players recruited for an entirely different project. Look at the absolute state of us now. We didn't even bother to recruit a target man because we were more concerned with finding a youngster more suited to the tiki-taka stuff around the box. We have ZERO presence in either penalty box, our attacking players flatter to deceive, and our entire midfield is indistinguishable from one another. This club is its own worst enemy at times. How can Wael get so much right off the pitch but be so clueless with overseeing the playing side of things? If you go back and read, for example, the Southend (H) thread from Dec 2019, and that's just the first one I looked at, I'm sure there are plenty more, it's just wall to wall whining. The idea (and I'm not saying you are doing this, but it's part of the answer to your question) that that was some sort of halcyon era where we all agreed on the direction we were heading and we were all buying into and enjoying the football (and thus astounding that we changed direction), and people were turning up to watch, is way off. And, the usual suspects who did very little apart from whine at how things were going, then, are, extraordinarily, or not, if you think about it, many of the people who are whining through this. And they're the same ones who whine through everything. So when you say the club is its own worst enemy, it's as true to say the fans are their own worst enemy, also. I genuinely think it would be helpful if we, as a fanbase, generally, didn't act like a 6 year old kid having a tantrum constantly. It would at least bring down the background noise a tad, and perhaps be slightly less distracting. I know that's a naive thing to ask of football fans, but there you go. So when you say it's genuinely astounding that a club should choose that moment to try to change its identity, it's also genuinely astounding that the fanbase, generally, were not particularly interested in that direction, which you imply was clearly appreciated and ideal. Also, if you buy into the idea that GC's team were not going to go up, which is a reasonable enough view, then you have a reasonable judgement call as to the future of the club. And, remember, without getting into all the funding conspiracy theories, which don't make any sense to my mind, GC chose to leave, more or less out of the blue). It didn;t work, of course, but it's easy to find things astounding with the benefit of hindsight. It's astounding (with the benefit of hindsight), for example, that so many of the whiners on here were critical of us signing JCH. And yet, all the people who whined about that are just continuing whining about everything (including selling him, you couldn't make it up), without thinking for a moment, look how wrong I was, maybe I should just shut up for five seconds. And if PT keeps us up, and moves us forward next season, they will find something else to whine about, and forget their previous whining in their enthusiasm to whine about the next thing. So, essentially, the noise around GC's tenure was mostly negative, and people weren't flocking to see us, so you can understand, I would think, why the board might think that a change of direction was called for. The fact we got it wrong is not massively astounding, imo.Also, I think the idea that we didn't bother to try to recruit a target man is factually wrong. (Not ITK, though). While I largely agree with your post, the issue I have with the board is not the initial appointment of Garner but the doubling down by giving him the summer. In an alternative universe he was rightly binned off after the frankly embarrassing defeat to Southend in March and we have given another manager the chance to rebuild over the summer. Instead we stuck with the former Head of Boys PE, St David's College, South London and have got ourselves into this utter mess.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 11:56:28 GMT
Ah, maybe they're both crap?
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 11:54:08 GMT
Biggest game since Wycombe away 2014 - Clarkson scores the winner and we think we're safe! Aye, the 2015 Conference Playoff Final had nothing on *checks notes* Swindon at home in February when we're not in the relegation zone.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 10:42:37 GMT
It's pretty obvious to me why Rovers never do this, we're never actually in a winning position.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 10, 2021 8:56:29 GMT
It's almost funny how poorly the football side of the club is run, no leadership, no direction, just vibes. Absolute nonsense regarding the "Bristol Rovers DNA" and a ridiculous recruitment policy was rewarded with a job promotion. I can't say I'm overly surprised, it seemed pretty clear to me from the point of takeover there wasn't much knowledge of football administration and frankly the footballing decisions that the club has had to make have backed that up. If we don't sack Tisdale we are relegated, but if you go through three managers in a season you'll probably get relegated.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 9, 2021 15:36:44 GMT
Announce Mané, Riquelme, Josimar & Ronaldo... Peña
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